I would like one question,why is not included in this part of the E4 Messer?

[Feuerfalke]

Originally Posted by David603

Don't all E-4s have the squared-off armoured canopy?

If that is true I'm sure we would have seen the E-4 by now if it was going to be included.

During the Battle of Britain only the rear plate was replaced as additional protection. The square canopy was added later. As such, you would probably not even recognize the difference unless you have very detailed shots of the different 109s. If it was even worth modeling at all...

Besides that, when the square canopys were added to the E4s, the E3s also received them as a refit. So even that wouldn't allow a 100% identification.

@ Sven:
Correct. Given the little differences and the fact that the gun is already modeled makes me quite confident it's either in the release as well, or will be added in a patch.

Originally Posted by Feuerfalke

During the Battle of Britain only the rear plate was replaced as additional protection. The square canopy was added later. As such, you would probably not even recognize the difference unless you have very detailed shots of the different 109s. If it was even worth modeling at all...

Besides that, when the square canopys were added to the E4s, the E3s also received them as a refit. So even that wouldn't allow a 100% identification.

@ Sven:
Correct. Given the little differences and the fact that the gun is already modeled makes me quite confident it's either in the release as well, or will be added in a patch.

I really hope so, I cannot imagine that the E4 will not be in the release, all the works been done for it.

[David603]

Originally Posted by Feuerfalke

During the Battle of Britain only the rear plate was replaced as additional protection. The square canopy was added later. As such, you would probably not even recognize the difference unless you have very detailed shots of the different 109s. If it was even worth modeling at all...

Besides that, when the square canopys were added to the E4s, the E3s also received them as a refit. So even that wouldn't allow a 100% identification.

Kay, if the gun is the only difference (and if even that requires no 3D changes) it would be bizarre if the E-4 was not included. Perhaps, the intention is to model the later style canopy on the E-4 and add it a patch?

Would be nice to have all the BoB era E models, even the E-1 is surprisingly good fun because you get so much ammunition.

[Ltbear]

well....

The E4 should be in, it was used in numbers if we begin the why is not debate...well in October the F1 was used in limitet numbers etc....

With the 109 especialy the E4 it comes down to ammo. The "mineshot" original had impact detonator, but later series had delay...the first version exploded on the fusulage doing little damedge.

With the "shitzz" cannons on the E3 it was harder to hit, but it was regarded that 3 to 4 cannon rounds would be enough to bring down an enemy plane. Many RAF fighters who returned after being hit with cannon rounds was written of.

And if the RAF boys say give us the hispano, think twice. The version of the Hispano used doing BOB was a piece of junk. They jammed ALOT and was disregarded until a better version was made. When they worked i have to admit it was a great gun, but a 80% failure rate is playing lotto with your life.

I look so much forward to this game.

LTbear

[David603]

The Spitfire Ib is confirmed, so hopefully it will have a historical failure rate. Otherwise it will be the plane of choice for RAF pilots, since the Hispano is probably the best aircraft gun of WW2.

[Ltbear]

Originally Posted by David603

The Spitfire Ib is confirmed, so hopefully it will have a historical failure rate. Otherwise it will be the plane of choice for RAF pilots, since the Hispano is probably the best aircraft gun of WW2.

yupz or we end right back at the KI-84 style whining....

[Matt255]

Originally Posted by David603

The Spitfire Ib is confirmed, so hopefully it will have a historical failure rate. Otherwise it will be the plane of choice for RAF pilots, since the Hispano is probably the best aircraft gun of WW2.

Were has that been confirmed?

Based on screenshots, videos and reviews, these are the Spitfire variants:

2x MkI (one with two-pitch, one with CSP, most likely)
1x MkIa
1x MkIIa

I never read anything about a Ib ever, nor have i seen a screenshot of it. If there will be a 5th variant for the Spitfire and only the E-3 and E-3/B for the 109, it would be a bit suprising.

Thinking about it, there is no way Oleg would leave the E4 out of the initial release, it was the Luft's main battle wagon.

[fruitbat]

Originally Posted by Tree_UK

Thinking about it, there is no way Oleg would leave the E4 out of the initial release, it was the Luft's main battle wagon.

wrong, E1, certainly at the start.

[Biggs]

Originally Posted by David603

The Spitfire Ib is confirmed, so hopefully it will have a historical failure rate. Otherwise it will be the plane of choice for RAF pilots, since the Hispano is probably the best aircraft gun of WW2.

You mind telling us where you saw the mkIb "confirmed"... As of the other day only the mkI, mkIa and mkIIa are going to be in the game.

Im not sure what Luthier means by mkI and mkIa but there was never a mention of any cannoned mkI version.

I for one dont care if its not in the game. Only 19 squadron got them and after the problems with it, went right back to 8 mgs.