Thought for future expansions: Release Chronologically

[Mr_Zooly]

The Battle of France or maybe Poland would make perfect early addons, we should have to wait for the late war planes...crap planes all the way for me

[Sturm_Williger]

Originally Posted by Mr_Zooly

The Battle of France or maybe Poland would make perfect early addons, we should have to wait for the late war planes...crap planes all the way for me

I know it's not very likely, but I'm all for this.

But I'll settle for the Med

[Widowmaker214]

Well, even if you do it in order...
The AVG was in China rather early.. and the Pacific campaign got underway in 42. I. Love. Carrier Ops. Its just awesome... and considering islands.. the maps would be a bit easier to crank out. But considering how long it took last time to get the pacific involved.. and the controversy over American aircraft.. Im not holding my breath. Can only hope some 3rd party guys will work on those aircraft.
If not the pacific... Id still say to stay on time with 42-43 Europe and North Africa.

[GnigruH]

Honestly, I don't get what is so special about poland or france campaigns.

- Crap planes?
You can have plenty of those elswhere.
I also dubt that large audience will enthusiastically fly unknown (and, with one exception, inferior) polish planes from this period.

- Luftwaffel planes o b l i t e r a t i n g everything?
Yeah, this might be enough for those, who like to blitz over the sky in their bf109 untouchable and superior to all. Luftwaffel loving king of the sky wannabes ...

These battles have no allied aeroplane that became a legend of ww2.
And you need one to sell the sim worldwide.

So why poland/france?
Enlighten me.
Btw I don't want to cause a flame war, just curious

[Avala]

"Crap" plane actually doesn't not mean "some odd ball low production run biplane" or "unknown (and, with one exception, inferior) polish planes from this period."

Crap means "bad, slow, low performance", and for sure no one cant say that I16 is lacking in references, or any of Fiat fighters for example.

With respect, Great Britain didn't had all the best planes in WW2, actually there was more crap planes that great ones (fairy fulmar or blenheim anyone?). Logic where USAAF and RAF had only great planes and other mostly crap, just don't holds the water. Also remember what Eric Brown said when he first time sat in the Yak fighter.

Poland and France are special because war started in Poland and France and Polish aviation gave Luftwaffe good share of troubles. Actually so called "Battle of Britain" was not very much bigger than war in Poland or France, not to mention east front which makes "Battle of Britain" appears as "happy and beautiful walk on a lovely sunny sumer day".

(Battle of Britain is bigger and more important of course . . . if you count movies made on the subject . . . )

Of course for all of that one would need to read some books, not to just watch "war in color" on TV. There is not much smart and historically correct facts on TV nowadays, anyway.

Just compare IL2 and other flight sims. IL2 made crap planes and other mostly "the great and successful ones" (read "boooring" ). Where is IL2 today comparing to others? And crap planes are partly "guilty" for that.



For me, it would be operation "Marita".

[Sven]

I'm share your curiosity why Oleg would put his minds on Invasion of Holland, Belgium, France and Poland or any other relative small conflict as a complete addon, you could think of something bundeled together as in: The rise of the 3rd Reich ( That sounds very very wrong ) which includes all these conflicts in europe but not the BoB ( part of it's downfall ) and the Battle for Moscow ( together with Stalingrad turning point of eastern front), but that all will be very one sided, as the Germans completely ran their opponents over.

I think the best is what they do now: Focussing on turning points in the war. Mediterranean theatre, Battle for Britain and the Battle for Moscow, it gives the most enjoyable gameplay for Both sides and provides a good basis for further 3rd party addons and whatnot.

[The Kraken]

Originally Posted by GnigruH

Honestly, I don't get what is so special about poland or france campaigns.

- Crap planes?
You can have plenty of those elswhere.
I also dubt that large audience will enthusiastically fly unknown (and, with one exception, inferior) polish planes from this period.

- Luftwaffel planes o b l i t e r a t i n g everything?
Yeah, this might be enough for those, who like to blitz over the sky in their bf109 untouchable and superior to all. Luftwaffel loving king of the sky wannabes ...

These battles have no allied aeroplane that became a legend of ww2.
And you need one to sell the sim worldwide.

So why poland/france?
Enlighten me.
Btw I don't want to cause a flame war, just curious

The commercial value may be the deal breaker, but as another crap-plane lover, a France or Poland campaign would be a dream come true for me.

First, those scenarios have never been done before.

Second, the overall superiority of the Luftwaffe in these campaigns (questionable for the France campaign anyway) does not mean every single engagement was completely one-sided. There were more than a few losses over Poland as well. Especially bomber or Stuka campaigns should be more interesting here than over England. Flying for Poland would certainly be a challenge, but that only makes it more interesting for me. And would anyone say that late-war scenarios shouldn't be done either because of the undisputed allied superiority?

Third, I have no interest in "balance" in the planeset, and while the BoB scenario is reasonably balanced in the fighters area, flying Stukas or Bf-110s over England, especially in somewhat historical roles, isn't any less suicidal than attacking German bombers over Poland.

And finally, similar arguments were brought up before Il2's release about the Eastern front theatre. It turned out to be more than interesting though.


I do hope eventually some 3rd party effort can be made to model those theatres, as I don't see Oleg himself being able to afford it. Sure would be great though...!

[GnigruH]

the overall superiority of the Luftwaffe in these campaigns (questionable for the France campaign anyway) does not mean every single engagement was completely one-sided.

During invasion of poland luftwaffe lost 285 aircraft to all operational causes, poles 333, so the price for this quick victory was high, especially given the circumstances.
But that's irrelevant, cos' it's about axis having superior aircraft.

And would anyone say that late-war scenarios shouldn't be done either because of the undisputed allied superiority?

What I said above is the difference between late war scenario and september '39.
Late at war allies had air superiority, but german planes were not inferior to their counterparts.
If your plane is good and fast you can engage numerically superior force. It will work on-line too.

But imagine a mission where you have to intercept the incoming bomber formation. You approach them head-on, fire a burst into one of them, turn and see them far away and yourself being unable to chase them cos' your fighter is slower than these bombers.

I can't imagine a good and entertaining '39 fighter campaign for polish air forces.
It would be stuka and recon aircraft pounding and avoiding enemy fighters at all cost.
Bomber campaign would be more reasonable, but still hard fighting for survival.

And what about multi? Who would fly polish aircraft?
Poles and few hard-core players from other countries?

These kind of campaigns could be made by 3rd parties, although I doubt that polish modding scene of this sim will be huge enough to make, lets say 4 flyables and 6 non-flyables from scratch.
But time will tell.

I personally hope for north africa '41-'42.

[nearmiss]

I cannot understand why anyone would want a Polish or French addon.

They were both stomped into the dust... in record time. It was like take off and die for the Polish and French pilots.

So... a sad part of history, nevertheless there can still be those who want to enough historical abuse. LOL

Probably just as well for the air war to progress from BOB into the Western European battles and war. The "island" was a major deployment area for the war after BOB.