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IL-2 Sturmovik: Cliffs of Dover Latest instalment in the acclaimed IL-2 Sturmovik series from award-winning developer Maddox Games.

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Old 02-21-2011, 09:38 PM
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Just a small snapshot to keep the whole 30mm versus 0.50 cal thing in perspective ....


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Old 02-21-2011, 10:15 PM
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Impressive, but is this the way to prove that they should de-wing instantly?

Also in this whole cannon vs mg discussion you should take into account the rof of weapons which used this ammo.
You fired two cannon rounds. How many rounds 8 mgs fired in the same time period?

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that was either some time ago, or a Mk108
Some time ago.

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I've used the MK108 alot in the sim and it definitely does considerable damage, but I've seen many aircraft in the sim take several MK108's or other cannons and keep fighting.
My comment was about single engine aircraft.
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Old 02-21-2011, 10:34 PM
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Impressive, but is this the way to prove that they should de-wing instantly?

Also in this whole cannon vs mg discussion you should take into account the rof of weapons which used this ammo.
You fired two cannon rounds. How many rounds 8 mgs fired in the same time period?


Some time ago.

My comment was about single engine aircraft.
Have you ever seen the video in which they shoot on a spitfires wing with a Mk108 on the ground? Just one single round, but the damage is considerable. In flight with all the stress on the wing, it would probably just break. The germans reported that it took about three 30mm rounds to down a bomber and about seven 20mm rounds for the same result.
Talking about rof: The MGs might have a higher rate of fire, but you still have to hit. If you are not at gun convergence range, most of your bullets will miss.
An other element is the energy which is delivered to the target. MG bullets only have kinetic energy, canon shells have also chemical energy (mine shells etc.).

To sum it up. In any case you have to keep your aim at the enemy long enough to bring a sufficient amount of led on target. Canons will of course be more destructive, but more skill is requiered in order to hit, because of the low rof. MGs will probably be easier to use, because even with bad shooting skills, you still can score a few hits and hope to hit a vital internal system.
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Old 02-22-2011, 04:49 PM
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Just a small snapshot to keep the whole 30mm versus 0.50 cal thing in perspective ....



Some excellent info on the effectiveness of those weapons:

http://www.quarry.nildram.co.uk/WW2guneffect.htm

http://users.telenet.be/Emmanuel.Gus...n/fgun-pe.html

http://www.ww2incolor.com/forum/show...mp-Machineguns.
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Old 02-22-2011, 10:11 PM
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Good links.

This small pic caught my eye. The parts of a bomber vulnerable to rifle calibre machine gun according to a French study:

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Old 02-22-2011, 10:32 PM
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Good links.

This small pic caught my eye. The parts of a bomber vulnerable to rifle calibre machine gun according to a French study:

ha, notice the entire cockpit section is blacked out... not really vulnerability to the 'bomber' but more the 'inhabitants'
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