Head Tracking with Cliffs of Dover

[Stipe]

The problem is that I still don't know what NP have copyrights for? Track ir?
Then freetrack would violate that if it was called track ir-xxx.
What else could they have copyright for? math? IR leds?
W-R
Not trying too nitpick, but the difference between "they don't like seeing that someone is using it that way" and "they are not allowed to do that" is huge.

[MadBlaster]

Originally Posted by Wolf_Rider

Finally, you agree NP are allowed to encrypt their code - yeehar. It needs to be understood though there is no monopoly though... proven by Mouse Look (aka Freelook).

1)Where did I ever say that I did not believe that NP can't encrypt their code? This is an assumption you made. But I don't care. Assume what you want W-R.

2)Mouse Look is not an equivalent substitute to Freetrack. Do you even play Il-2 anymore? Again, the Stuka example. The mouse needs to be independent of the 6DoF. Currently in existing game you use the 6DoF axis to look around with your head. The mouse moves the gun with the mouse axis'. You are suggesting using the mouse axis for the head with Mouse Look. Well then what. Do I just stare at the gun? How do I aim and shoot? Sure, I can fire with the left mouse button. But how do I aim? It won't work. But Freetrack works. I already know that. I would like to use it with CoD.

AFAIK, copyright applies to software, patent applies to hardware.

[Novotny]

Well, they could protect any aspect of their code - which would include maths. They could also protect how their code interfaces with their hardware - that seems quite reasonable to me.

I just don't understand why people think NP are evil. No one has produced any argument to sway me, and again, I think it's down to cost, at the end of the day. I wish it was cheaper too.

Edit:: Masterblaster, I just noted your final sentence. With respect, I think you are misunderstanding the legality of the points being argued.

[Stipe]

Please don't think I'm trolling or that I want to fight. I just want to learn and understand.
"They can defend any part of their code". Which part? What if they are trying to protect a piece of code that is essential for any head tracking software to work and that is generic or the basis of any code?
That's why i would like to see copyright proof of what they feel is theirs. At the end of the day, almost everyone can afford track ir. But for the quality not becouse it's the only option. I bought simped rudder pedals, again, becouse it's a quality product that will last me for years.

[MadBlaster]

Originally Posted by Novotny

Well, they could protect any aspect of their code - which would include maths. They could also protect how their code interfaces with their hardware - that seems quite reasonable to me.

I just don't understand why people think NP are evil. No one has produced any argument to sway me, and again, I think it's down to cost, at the end of the day. I wish it was cheaper too.

Edit:: Masterblaster, I just noted your final sentence. With respect, I think you are misunderstanding the legality of the points being argued.

The only point with that last sentance is to clarify that legal rights protection on software is called a copyright and legal right protection on hardware is called a patent. Not meant as commentary on the arguement. I just see the words being thrown around in the discussion interchangeably and they are really not interchangeable. But if I'm missing something, please point it out.

[Wolf_Rider]

Originally Posted by MadBlaster

2)Mouse Look is not an equivalent substitute to Freetrack.

Mouse look is an alternative to naturalpoint

Originally Posted by MadBlaster

Again, the Stuka example. The mouse needs to be independent of the 6DoF. Currently in existing game you use the 6DoF axis to look around with your head. The mouse moves the gun with the mouse axis'. You are suggesting using the mouse axis for the head with Mouse Look.

there is a little thing called DEVELOPING, that could well assist you in the situation you want there. Mouse Look (aka Freelook) is an alternative, the method of hooking into it to suit the needs to be arrived at... this has been mentioned before.

Originally Posted by MadBlaster

Well then what. Do I just stare at the gun? How do I aim and shoot? Sure, I can fire with the left mouse button. But how do I aim? It won't work.

I seem to remeber that was the case anyway in the prehacked version of il2 (I could be wrong but that is what I seem to remember, even with TIR proper). I haven't run il2 since it was hacked

Originally Posted by MadBlaster

But Freetrack works. I already know that. I would like to use it with CoD.

no body is saying FT shouldn't be used in a clean form... remove the need for NP files and your more than likely set.

Originally Posted by MadBlaster

AFAIK, copyright applies to software, patent applies to hardware.

basically correct and Trade Marks are for trade names and logo's, etc.

[julian265]

Novotny, If the maths was copyrighted, it would have no effect unless it could be proven that the maths was copied... Any person wanting to make a head tracker could come up with their own code (from the existing, published methods), without any worry about infringing anyone's copyright.

[Novotny]

I have to sign off. You may have noted that I'm from Belfast, and I have almost finished an entire bottle of Scotch. Yes, I am that drunk, however I'm not so stupid that I can't spell.

I've enjoyed our discussions, and will of course be back for more tomorrow. Or later this day. Depends on how you look at it.

Au Revoir!, and for god's sake, look for the good, not the bad, you silly bastards.

[Wolf_Rider]

Originally Posted by Stipe

At the end of the day, almost everyone can afford track ir. But for the quality not becouse it's the only option.

That's what seems to be getting to the real crux of the problem and that is the quality of the TIR system. True, that some people may have a hard time of affording it, but they seem to have their computers and their monitors and other hardwares, etc, as well as their beers and iphones.

[Wolf_Rider]

Originally Posted by julian265

Any person wanting to make a head tracker could come up with their own code (from the existing, published methods), without any worry about infringing anyone's copyright.

yes! exactly! Hi 5