Head Tracking with Cliffs of Dover

[Stipe]

Am I not allowed to have a personal opinion about it? Or is this a topic for track ir users only?

[vicinity]

Originally Posted by Wolf_Rider

Yaw, Pitch, Zoom, Strafe, Lean, Crouch and Jump looks an awful lot like 6DoF

You control x and y with mouse look, that's 2dof, two axis you can control. To have 6dof you need to be able to control all six which can't be done with just mouselook!

Originally Posted by Wolf_Rider

It is a clear response to what you posted; "Actually FT is at 2.2 something atm and future updates are still planned." ... the last update was 2.5 years ago

I said that Freetrack was on version 2.2something in response to someone saying it was 2.0. I also said that there are future updates planned, as can be seen on their website. That had nothing to do with how long ago its last update was.

Originally Posted by Wolf_Rider

"they" aren't trying to stop anyone from entering the market, Vicinity..."they are trying to protect their work, their efforts and you agreed earlier that protecting the work and efforts was okay

They are trying to but that's an opinion, I think by encrypting how information from the game is accessed it is clear NP are doing their best to keep the monopoly the have on the market, if they would accept that they can't be the only ones in the market forever it would make it easier for devlopers to provide headtracking to more people. It's clear neither of us will change our position on this so I don't think there is much point in arguing it any further.

Originally Posted by Wolf_Rider

Thank you, you've just decribed Yaw, Pitch, Zoom, Strafe, Lean, Crouch and Jump

I'm trying to make you understand the difference in 6dof and the 2dof using a mouse to look around provides, i'm not really sure why i'm bothering though.

[Novotny]

Oh god, no. By all means, have your opinion, it's entirely valid. I hope you don't think we were being rude. I just feel differently, and voiced that onion in (I hope) a reasonable manner.

[Wolf_Rider]

Originally Posted by Novotny

And now you're going all bobby dylan on us. I appreciate the humour, though.

It's not really a big issue, is it? No one is getting shafted. Again, I hope that those with web cams can get or create some software that works for them. I cannot hate NP for having done it very well and then trying to make a living out of it. I hope we can all come to that conclusion.

So do I, Novotny




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@ Vicinity... NP doesn't have a monopoly on the market, this has already been gone over, many, many times and fair enough you tried to correct the FT version #. I have pointed out, as other/s have that the last release was 2.5 years ago. Mouse Look is Mouse Look, Vicinty, and yes there is a difference between 2Dof and 6Dof, that part is clear. However, Mouse Look is available for 6DoF, you've proved this yourself.

[Novotny]

Incidently - you have a pm, Wolf Meister.

[Stipe]

Originally Posted by Novotny

Oh god, no. By all means, have your opinion, it's entirely valid. I hope you don't think we were being rude. I just feel differently, and voiced that onion in (I hope) a reasonable manner.

Thank you. And I said that if you enjoy track ir and it's at reasonable price for you I don't have a problem with that.
Oh, and rude users are the trademark of this forum. ~S~

[vicinity]

Originally Posted by Wolf_Rider

@ Vicinity... NP doesn't have a monopoly on the market, this has already been gone over, many, many times

When you say gone over, you mean you've stated it isn't as fact, giving an example of others in the market. Monopoly doesn't mean that there is NO competition at all.

From Wikipedia:
"In economics, a monopoly exists when a specific individual or an enterprise has sufficient control over a particular product or service to determine significantly the terms on which other individuals shall have access to it."

Now, explain how Natural Point is not a monopoly?

Originally Posted by Wolf_Rider

I have pointed out, as other/s have that the last release was 2.5 years ago.

Yes but I didn't even comment about when the last update was, it isn't relevant.

Originally Posted by Wolf_Rider

Mouse Look is Mouse Look, Vicinty, and yes there is a difference between 2Dof and 6Dof, that part is clear. However, Mouse Look is available for 6DoF, you've proved this yourself.

No, i've said mouselook doesn't do 6dof and you've just come back with "yes it does" again and again. Give an example of a game where you can look around in 6dof using only a mouse.

[Wolf_Rider]

Originally Posted by vicinity

When you say gone over, you mean you've stated it isn't as fact, giving an example of others in the market. Monopoly doesn't mean that there is NO competition at all.

From Wikipedia:
"In economics, a monopoly exists when a specific individual or an enterprise has sufficient control over a particular product or service to determine significantly the terms on which other individuals shall have access to it."

Now, explain how Natural Point is not a monopoly?

It has been done to death already Vicintiy... read the thread through

Originally Posted by vicinity

Yes but I didn't even comment about when the last update was, it isn't relevant.

It is relevant to the point made earlier on support

Originally Posted by vicinity

No, i've said mouselook doesn't do 6dof and you've just come back with "yes it does" again and again. Give an example of a game where you can look around in 6dof using only a mouse.

Mouse Look (aka Freelook) involves keyboard and mouse and I've described by name the method of such.

[Wolf_Rider]

thanks for the PM, Novotny. I do hope my reply, as limited as it is, helps

[vicinity]

Originally Posted by Wolf_Rider

It has been done to death already Vicintiy... read the thread through.

I have read the whole thread through. You are an expert at not actually answering any questions.