Head Tracking with Cliffs of Dover

[Untamo]

Originally Posted by Wolf_Rider

As long as anyone elses' product isn't being used against their wishes, such as NP's, then I don't have a problem with it... but if there are utilities that allow information to be pulled out of someone elses' work, such as NP and having their encryption busted... then yes, there is a problem. One utility made by FT allows for the NP encryption to be stripped away, allowing FT software to access information.

"Democracy will cease to exist when you take away from those who are willing to work and give it to those who are not." - Thomas Jefferson

True, this was the case in the past, when NP used a quite simple protection, it basically wasn't even encryption. FT went past that and utilized the NP's interface, which I really do agree, was wrong of them to do.

Now they do have a real encryption, which FT has promised not to hack under the threat of a lawsuit. So, any new TIR enabled game doesn't automatically work with FT anymore. The devs have to implement the FT interface for FT to work.

-Untamo

[Wolf_Rider]

If that is the case great, fantastic, excellent, well done (and not before time)

So, how does FT interface work?

[Untamo]

Originally Posted by Wolf_Rider

If that is the case great, fantastic, excellent, well done (and not before time)

So, how does FT interface work?

I honestly don't know, I just use it ... The science behind it is (I am told) quite simple, and as such, free knowledge.

-Untamo

[Wolf_Rider]

Originally Posted by Untamo

True, this was the case in the past, when NP used a quite simple protection, it basically wasn't even encryption. FT went past that and utilized the NP's interface, which I really do agree, was wrong of them to do.

Now they do have a real encryption, which FT has promised not to hack under the threat of a lawsuit. So, any new TIR enabled game doesn't automatically work with FT anymore. The devs have to implement the FT interface for FT to work.

-Untamo

but what you're saying doesn't seem to entirely be the case, on looking around...

1. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of...ting_FreeTrack

and

2. it still seems that FT has to hack into NP software

some newer games do seem to be unavalaible though, with users blaming TIR, which suggests that if there a standalone FT interface, FT hasn't made the approach to developers for inclusion of their interface, or has yet to be included.

(be aware also that the FT download link goes to page with questionable security certificate)

[Untamo]

Originally Posted by Wolf_Rider

but what you're saying doesn't seem to be the case, on looking around

......

from the FT site

it still seems that FT has hack into NP software

unless you can show me/ us something that supports your statements, it looks like your statements may be misguided

This piece of convesation was on the FT forums? Yes, people are finding their own ways to hack the NP interface, but this isn't what the FT crew are doing.

These are individual persons hacking away to get FT to work "as it did in the olden days". So, clearly not the correct approach. They should be pleading on the devs to include the FT support to the game.

-Untamo

[Wolf_Rider]

Originally Posted by Untamo

This piece of convesation was on the FT forums? Yes, people are finding their own ways to hack the NP interface, but this isn't what the FT crew are doing.

These are individual persons hacking away to get FT to work "as it did in the olden days". So, clearly not the correct approach. They should be pleading on the devs to include the FT support to the game.

-Untamo

my apologies, I did some proper reading and edited my post Untamo and yes I agree with the getting up the FT developers to seek inclusion - professionally.


Uther, no I don't work or are affiliated with NP, they aren't even paying me... sorry
I do however have a vested interest in people doing the right thing by others.

[Royraiden]

Again what is the point of the discussion?You guys dont seem to agree in anything.Why continue?If I could I would have locked the thread.This forum is not so useful if every thread ends up with an off topic discussion.And yes it is off topic.People here dont care what the thread is about, just post what they want and argue to death even if it is not relevant the original post.Some of you did gave me some suggestions ,thanks.No disrespect to the others.

[JG52Uther]

Wolf Rider,do you work for NP? You seem to be fighting their corner strongly? Not a dig,just interested.
As for FT and CoD,I have no idea,but I do know that any mention of FT at the UBI forum is strictly verboten,and any thread with their name is instantly moderated.
And as UBI are publishing CoD...

As an aside, I tried FT a couple of years ago,but didn't like it.I am happy enough with my TiR 3 and vector expansion.I use the track hat,as I don't like the flimsy track clip,or its usb connection.
Might treat myself to the latest model soon.

[albx]

Originally Posted by JG52Uther

Wolf Rider,do you work for NP? You seem to be fighting their corner strongly? Not a dig,just interested.
As for FT and CoD,I have no idea,but I do know that any mention of FT at the UBI forum is strictly verboten,and any thread with their name is instantly moderated.
And as UBI are publishing CoD...

As an aside, I tried FT a couple of years ago,but didn't like it.I am happy enough with my TiR 3 and vector expansion.I use the track hat,as I don't like the flimsy track clip,or its usb connection.
Might treat myself to the latest model soon.

you are right JG52Uther, FT is forbidden at UBI forums, and UBI is the CoD distributor, so I think this is the reason nobody here (Oleg & co.) come to confirm that CoD will only support TIR, so, yes, i believe FT will not be supported...

[SEE]

There is no point to the argument regards NP V FT and copyright. The guys at FT must have looked at NP's algorithm and came up with something identical or very close and included that as an alternative to their own FT code. To use FT with Il1946 you have to use their version of the NP algorithm (which is open source and anyone can dowload it to take a peek at it). Unfortunately, NP also looked at existing Tracking codes used in other applications and adapted it to their Headtracking product. In that respect it would have been impossible to patent the code as it was a 'development' not an 'invention'. You can write algorithims in many different ways to perform the same output data. NP could only protect their registered trademark and products that they themselves designed - hence the removal of references to the use of existing NP hardware in FT's literature. It's down to interpretation and NP consider that 'headtracking' is their intellectual property as a gaming product accessory and naturally want to protect it in other ways. The solution was simple, develop an encryption code and protect it legally. The real and only sensible argument is wether CoD should use the old code or include FT's code in addition to NP's.