Hotas setup for the upcoming Cliffs of Dover

[Royraiden]

Originally Posted by speculum jockey

Thrustmaster: "Our joystick is metal, precision made, costs a fortune, but we still use some of the cheapest parts possible just to save $3.00 a unit".

Logitech: "We give you the whole deal, plus Force-feedback! Only we don't do any manner of in-depth or long-term testing, plus we use cheap pots! Did we mention we only update our software every 4 years?"

Saitek: "We're the joystick equivalent of Russian Roulette! Come on and take a chance! Every 10th customer is a winner!"

CH: "Yes! We're still in business. Our rudder pedals might make you infertile and our product line looks like a cataloge from 1995, but we make quality stuff."

Thats some funny stuff!I just ordered my Combatstick and I got to admit that the base looks from the 80's.

[Chivas]

Originally Posted by ghodan

Can somebody explain to me why the MSFF2 is beter then the Logitech G940?

I see them as the only 2 forcefeedback options.

The MSFF2 is smoother, more precise and accurate than any joystick on the market because of the smooth gimbal system, and adjustable center tension that provides smooth, constant pressure movement thru all points of travel.

EVERY other joystick has abrupt force changes as some points of travel. This may be realistic, but it makes smooth precise flying and shooting, just a tad more difficult than it is with the MSFF2. Except maybe some Cougar mods that I haven't tried.

The con against the MSFF2 is its software isn't supported in Windows7, so you have to use the ingame software to assign buttons.

The G940 came close, but their grinding gears, and flaky centering software left them a little lacking.

The best of the non forcefeedback sticks is the Warthog. This stick has the smoothest feel but abrupt force change thru center.

Originally Posted by Chivas

** Accurate summation of joysticks**.

What I find to be the biggest "WTF" is that it's 2011, we have multi core CPU/GPU systems, people have on average a TB or hard disk space, our mice use freaking lasers, we stream HD video over the internet, our displays are super thin and up to 27" wide, you can pick up a printer than scans and prints nearly as well as a photo studio for $100 or less, and not one company can make a joystick that is an all-around winner. Every joystick out there has some sort of issue that should not exist given the technology we have today.

Thrustmaster really has no excuse when they're charging as much for their Warthog as most college kids first car and Logitech should be ashamed since they sould have been able to see their G940 glaring errors with even a cursory glance.

[Royraiden]

Originally Posted by speculum jockey

What I find to be the biggest "WTF" is that it's 2011, we have multi core CPU/GPU systems, people have on average a TB or hard disk space, our mice use freaking lasers, we stream HD video over the internet, our displays are super thin and up to 27" wide, you can pick up a printer than scans and prints nearly as well as a photo studio for $100 or less, and not one company can make a joystick that is an all-around winner. Every joystick out there has some sort of issue that should not exist given the technology we have today.

Thrustmaster really has no excuse when they're charging as much for their Warthog as most college kids first car and Logitech should be ashamed since they sould have been able to see their G940 glaring errors with even a cursory glance.

The problem is that this market isnt the most profitable,that is no excuse by any means but they just dont give their best to accomplish the task of providing a reliable product.For example I used my brothers Logitech Force GT racing wheel and I found no problems except some minor cosmetic issues.Has been working great for more than a year and it seems it will continue working like it is supposed to for a long time.

Originally Posted by Royraiden

The problem is that this market isnt the most profitable,that is no excuse by any means but they just dont give their best to accomplish the task of providing a reliable product.For example I used my brothers Logitech Force GT racing wheel and I found no problems except some minor cosmetic issues.Has been working great for more than a year and it seems it will continue working like it is supposed to for a long time.

Exactly! I alsmost never hear about issues with their racing products. Never heard about a reversal bug, or overheating issues, or spiking axis, but as soon as they make a joystick I would be interested in buying. . . .

reversal
overheating
spiking
wearing out after a year
etc.

[Royraiden]

It is a shame that such expensive setups as the Warthog and G940 still have issues.Since my bad experience with my Logitech joystick I decided to stay away from any Logitech flight related hardware and even if I had the money to get the Warthog I wouldnt buy it.

[Chivas]

The Warthog is built by Thrustmaster.

[Royraiden]

Originally Posted by Chivas

The Warthog is built by Thrustmaster.

Im well aware of that, I was talking about expensive joysticks.

[ghodan]

Just when i was putting back the G940 and Warthog in my list of "maybe buy" reading your comments makes me scrap them from my list again.

CH setup?
But i don't like CH pedals size, 13 inch from left to right.
I don't like Pro throttle almost no resistance and straight travel.

Currently have a almost untouched X45 and saitek throttle quad.
But want to sell it before it going to spike.

Also have cougar but upgrade to hall sensors cost 220 dollar.

Wanna sell them and buy something that last.

[Royraiden]

Originally Posted by ghodan

Just when i was putting back the G940 and Warthog in my list of "maybe buy" reading your comments makes me scrap them from my list again.

CH setup?
But i don't like CH pedals size, 13 inch from left to right.
I don't like Pro throttle almost no resistance and straight travel.

Currently have a almost untouched X45 and saitek throttle quad.
But want to sell it before it going to spike.

Also have cougar but upgrade to hall sensors cost 220 dollar.

Wanna sell them and buy something that last.

CH throttle quadrant and Saitek rudder pedals could be an option for you.