Friday 2011-01-28 Dev. update and Discussion

[Rot Bourratif]

Is it just me?

Everytime there's a cockpit view, I try to look around using the mouse...
I am so looking forward to this game!

And for all the effort put in so far: Spassiba bolchoi.

[Richie]

I think all the people over in simhq should register over here. They complain about things and say this and that is wrong but some of them don't have a clue what's really going on and you have to copy stuff from here and paste over there. I guess they can read this stuff but they can't see the pictures. The pictures are never the less always posted over there but still they seem to have no knowledge of where to look for all of the facts. I mean they should stay registered over in simhq but if they want as much info as possible on this series it just makes common senses to be registered over here too right?

[Matt255]

Is it just me?

Everytime there's a cockpit view, I try to look around using the mouse

Since i use Freetrack, i can find myself turning my head to look around when watching some videos or screenshots.

[ECV56_Lancelot]

Originally Posted by Insuber

Kalimba - to be more clear and direct, I expect a strategy "à la ROF". I hope to be wrong, but I'm afraid we will get a product not entirely finished nor entirely debugged. No problem: as I said some time ago here, I prefer a premature issue, and then corrections done and paid with the help of the community, than another year of wait.

Cheers,
6S.Insuber

Even if is all speculation. i hope you are wrong. Buggy games, being simulator or any other kind of game, are a complete invitation to failure. I hate bugged sims released early, they do more damage than good, and makes more people to go away from that sim that to bring new people. Most casual simmers that buy a buggy sim, will discard it shortly after playing with it a little while and never look back to the sim, doesn't motter of patches and addon released afterward. And at the same time you will have a lot of mouth to mouth bad reviews that will decrease sells.
I agree on supporting simulator developers, but i dont agree on supporting bad quality products, simulator or not. And i'm not talking about not having dx11, or bigger maps, or better textures, i'm only talking about plain simple software bugs that totaly kill immersion, and in many cases playability of the sim.
Because of bugs, being myself a hardcore freak for flight simulators, on its moment i run away from my beloved Falcon4, and returning to play it again when F4:AF came out and i knew that finally F4 was stable and worked really well on multiplayer. I was so tired of F4 multiplayer inestabilty that i replaced it completely for the original IL-2, that worked like a charm the moment it came out.

So resumming, i dont care if they left things for being added later (ground crew, dx11, especial effects, more sounds, an so on), but i do care that the product comes out as debugged as possible, and if it require six months or more of polishing and debugging, so be it, but release a quality well finnished product. Otherwise it will make more damage than good to the genre.

Originally Posted by ECV56_Lancelot

Even if is all speculation. i hope you are wrong. Buggy games, being simulator or any other kind of game, are a complete invitation to failure. I hate bugged sims released early, they do more damage than good, and makes more people to go away from that sim that to bring new people. Most casual simmers that buy a buggy sim, will discard it shortly after playing with it a little while and never look back to the sim, doesn't motter of patches and addon released afterward. And at the same time you will have a lot of mouth to mouth bad reviews that will decrease sells.
I agree on supporting simulator developers, but i dont agree on supporting bad quality products, simulator or not. And i'm not talking about not having dx11, or bigger maps, or better textures, i'm only talking about plain simple software bugs that totaly kill immersion, and in many cases playability of the sim.
Because of bugs, being myself a hardcore freak for flight simulators, on its moment i run away from my beloved Falcon4, and returning to play it again when F4:AF came out and i knew that finally F4 was stable and worked really well on multiplayer. I was so tired of F4 multiplayer inestabilty that i replaced it completely for the original IL-2, that worked like a charm the moment it came out.

So resumming, i dont care if they left things for being added later (ground crew, dx11, especial effects, more sounds, an so on), but i do care that the product comes out as debugged as possible, and if it require six months or more of polishing and debugging, so be it, but release a quality well finnished product. Otherwise it will make more damage than good to the genre.

Well, how many times was CoD's release date pushed back 6 months ?
We've been there..Now its time to deliver...It is Oleg's game after all..It will be complete, debugged and photorealistic in every important aspect.
That is why it took 6 years to make...

Salute !

[Foo'bar]

Originally Posted by Trumper

Hi Foobar, i guess we will see when it is out,the proof will be in the pudding.
Generally it is quite a lush green over here ,lots of moisture .We do have dry spells where the grass can go brown after a few weeks without rain but that isn't too normal.
I started looking for the weather forecasts during the BoB and came across this fascinating web site,unfortunately i have to go to work so won't have time to read it but looks brilliant.
http://forum.netweather.tv/topic/631...weather-diary/ hope others like it.
I guess the discussion over colours is all down to individual beliefs ,my comments were made because of the irony of the arguments being made by people who don't live here LOL.

Peace, mate

[major_setback]

I personally think the greens we saw in this weeks update are the best so far. They have been toned down. I don't mind a bit more saturation myself actually.

I think the shade of green has been wrong in the past though, and people are confusing the issue. Too strong a colour when it is the wrong colour looks awful.
The shade has improved a bit this week though, and less saturation helps.

I think it will gradually be improved though...the video shows pefectly acceptable colours to me.


Sun actually makes greens look bright ...take a look out of the window in a month or two and you will be shocked!



Those photos posted showing darker greens are underexposed (dark), wrong season, and look incorrect.

I agree that some of the textures have wildly bright greens of the wrong shade when seen close up.


...Perfection might take a week or so longer than we can wait.

[major_setback]

Originally Posted by Avimimus

I think you're all crazy.

We all think you're crazy!!

[Friendly_flyer]

Regarding "the green":

I am a biologist by trade, and have been involved in making an educational film covering a whole year. Here in Norway, where the seasonal changes are quite distinct, the tone of colour, particularly for open grassland and fields, will change enormously throughout the season, not to mention what difference sunlight and moisture will do on a shorter time-scale. Colours can be almost painfully vibrant in the spring, turning duller as the year progress.

Also, not two years are the same. The little educational film I mentioned was shot over two years. The first year was cold and a bit rainy with a late spring. The meadow featuring in the film took forever to bloom, and was nicely green well into the autumn. The next year was hot and dry with an early spring, and the meadow turned brownish already in early June, to the directors great frustration. To shoot bits we had bugged up the year before, we would wait for the occasional rain and head out the day after to take advantage of the short lived resurgence of green that it produced. Needless to say, colour-balancing the film afterwards was a nightmare.

[Richie]

Last summer where I live was very wet compared to what it's usually like and the landscape was much greener.