I Want my 4.09 Spit FM's back.........

[Fenrir]

Originally Posted by swiss

Here's the problem, you "think".
That means you don't "know".

Is suggest you bring proof for your theories. Why drop a line to Flying heritage?
Or, maybe your even able to contact a ret. RAF testpilot.

Defending your point of view is much easier if you have something to show which actually backs ups your argument.


Edit:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Supermarine_Spitfire

"Elliptical wing" & "Improved late wing designs"

Swiss, you and I don't see eye to eye on much, I know. Regarding the think and feeling, please re-read my posts. These sentiments are not based on over romanticised History Channel thinking, but 20 years of learning all I can about Spitfires, with plenty of airtime, flight training, and research thrown in.

To quote your wiki link:

...the possibility that pilots would encounter aileron reversal increased...The original wing design had a theoretical aileron reversal speed

There is no documented case of Spitfire aileron reversal. This was a rare case of an a/c designer pre-empting a potential problem, NOT reacting to an existing one.

[swiss]

Fenrir, I which country do you live?

[Fenrir]

Originally Posted by swiss

Fenrir, I which country do you live?

I'm in the UK.

[swiss]

Originally Posted by Fenrir

I'm in the UK.

Suggestion for your next pleasure trip:

http://www.rafmuseum.org.uk/research/

[Fenrir]

Originally Posted by swiss

Suggestion for your next pleasure trip:

http://www.rafmuseum.org.uk/research/

Thanks Swiss, I'll look into this.

Also, to clarify, I don't want a return to the 4.09 Spitfire FMs; I quite like the new stall/energy characteristics.

The only issue I have is with the lateral trim.

[fruitbat]

Originally Posted by Fenrir

Also, to clarify, I don't want a return to the 4.09 Spitfire FMs; I quite like the new stall/energy characteristics.

The only issue I have is with the lateral trim.

+1

[SEE]

Originally Posted by Fenrir

The only issue I have is with the lateral trim.

Then that should be the focus of any further argument...and once again, thanks for your input!

[Corto]

Originally Posted by Blackdog_kt

I don't remember if it's in this very thread, but i sat through the entire BBC documentary about the battle of Britain that someone linked on youtube and at one point a surviving RAF veteran (i think it was Tom Neil) talks about the advantages and disadvantages of Spit vs 109.

Here is the BBC Doc:
For the Spit enthusiasts: Part 4 is the part were they talk about the advantages and disadvantages of Spit vs 109...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mDDeLRy7UM0

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A5D49...eature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4IHLZ...eature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A8FsR...eature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9MW0i...eature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oIcWx...eature=related

[i]A fresh analysis into the Battle of Britain, exploring the German point of view, and highlighting the role of those who supported the Few during the summer of 1940.
Focusing on the tactics, technologies and intelligence available to both sides, Mr. Holland examines the ways in which both Germany and Britain used their resources: from aircraft to air defence, and from intelligence to organisation. And, by gaining rare firsthand testimony from German veterans, and access to the untapped diaries and documents we reveal that this was a battle of two sides and many layers.[/]

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Spit vs Me 109 Part 4 from Min. 3 sec 20....

Spit 14.7 sec of fire Pee Shooter Ammo vs Me 109 55 sec of fire.. nearly 4 times as long!

If this and other facts are modeld in Olegs "realistic Simulation" "Cliffs of Dover".... no one will fly spit.....
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[phoenix1963]

Originally Posted by Fenrir

....Also, to clarify, I don't want a return to the 4.09 Spitfire FMs; I quite like the new stall/energy characteristics.

The only issue I have is with the lateral trim.

+1

Actually, I think TD have done an excellent job in making the Spits lighter in the azimuthal axis, Mk Vs now float off the runway at 100mph very nicely, and the stall is less sharp - as it should be with that shape of wing.

Good to hear from you Fen, I've never forgotten that Sv109s desert map when you went off and downed a gaggle of 5 109s on your own...

56RAF_phoenix = phoenix1963