Realistic pilots?

[Furio]

Originally Posted by winny

Also there could be longer blackouts because I've also read a few accounts where pilots blacked out then came round completley alone in the sky.

Read recentley that one Spitfire pilot blacked out every time he dive bombed.

You can read everything and the contrary of everything, because human beings are different from each other. I have another question. Fatigue reduces the ability of making the right decision (like fear) and increases the chances of making mistakes, and this is probably its single most important influence, much more than tired muscles. But how can this be implemented to a sim pilot that fears no evil and is not actually fatigued?

The more this whole thing is discussed, and the more – in my opinion – it reveals its complexity. It can be surely said that the human body is far more complex than any WWII fighter, not to mention the huge complexity of human mind.
Anyway, I would want to summarize my opinion: I don’t think that any of the previous proposals would really makes a more “realistic pilot”. They simply would add arbitrary difficulties, as in World of Warcraft’s kind of games.
For these reasons, I ask TD to not proceed with any such additions, unless they are implemented as options.
Thank you.

[winny]

Originally Posted by Furio

You can read everything and the contrary of everything, because human beings are different from each other. I have another question. Fatigue reduces the ability of making the right decision (like fear) and increases the chances of making mistakes, and this is probably its single most important influence, much more than tired muscles. But how can this be implemented to a sim pilot that fears no evil and is not actually fatigued?

The more this whole thing is discussed, and the more – in my opinion – it reveals its complexity. It can be surely said that the human body is far more complex than any WWII fighter, not to mention the huge complexity of human mind.
Anyway, I would want to summarize my opinion: I don’t think that any of the previous proposals would really makes a more “realistic pilot”. They simply would add arbitrary difficulties, as in World of Warcraft’s kind of games.
For these reasons, I ask TD to not proceed with any such additions, unless they are implemented as options.
Thank you.

Just because you can't model something 100% accurately dosn't mean it shouldn't be even considered.. Otherwise there would be no IL-2.

Why have blackouts at all?
And any suggestions made on the forum should be optional. Relax.

[KG26_Alpha]

As it stands now the pilot can bleed out and as he does the forces applied to the control surfaces are reduced until you cant move anything and your screen goes black.

Some variation of these could be used for fatigue as its already in IL2 some "tweaking" could be tested




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[JG4_Helofly]

I agree with Blackdog. Some players are affraid of new features because it would mean a change of habit.

Another thing is the often mentioned complexity of modeling fatigue. Well, if we wanted we could start talking about the complexity of blackouts/redouts. I bet that if this feature wouldn't already be in the game now, people would say: "But it's too complex, we would have to model blood pressure in different conditions, the ability of the pilot to use the right breathing techniques, the angle of the seat (important for the fw190), G-suits for some late war fighters etc."

You see? Everything in this game is simplified and most features are not even close to perfect. FM, DM, weather, weapons, etc. The list is endless. If everything would have to be 100% perfect, we wouldn't play il2 now.

I understand the scepticism, but I think that we need such a basic limitation if we want to have a realistic combat simulation. The human body is an important limitation in arial combat and can simply not be dismissed.

[Untamo]

Good idea! Maybe it would get some sense in the T&B types

-Untamo

[Furio]

Originally Posted by winny

Just because you can't model something 100% accurately dosn't mean it shouldn't be even considered.. Otherwise there would be no IL-2.

Why have blackouts at all?
And any suggestions made on the forum should be optional. Relax.

I’m relaxed, thank you!

But you should notice that none of my objections and questions received any answer or reply, and that, at the same time, the list of complications asked to TD is piling up. I simply stated clearly my preference.

I understand that everything in a sim is not a replica of life, but all the requests I’ve read so far (with the sole possible exception of blackout tweaking) are unrealistic (in my opinion) so I can’t see how they can make a more realistic pilot. On the contrary, I see them as an arbitrary list of “health and power” such as you can find in a MMORPG.

Anyway, all request are legitimate. Peace!