4.11 realism

[Wutz]

Originally Posted by Letum

I thought I would test this ingame a little.


I shot single 30mm rounds at a spitfire's wing root in flight at ~0degrees to the wing plane. I repeated it 10 times.

The results where:

Survived with damage: 4
PK or control loss: 1
Fire: 1
Wing Loss: 4

There are some screens from the test here: http://img529.imageshack.us/img529/8397/30mm.jpg

I don't draw any conclusions my self from this little test, but I thought it might be interesting.

Incidentally, Mk108s (and all cannon) do do more damage since 4.10 because any damage they do now counts towards a lower structural G-Limit.

Yes the structural G-Limit is one of the good things of 4.10 this was something which has been missed for a very long time!

[ImpalerNL]

I find it very strange that after a 30mm round hits the wing, it sometimes falls apart and sometimes not, under the same conditions.

Each round fired at the wing should have the same probability of ripping it off, under the same conditions.

[Letum]

Originally Posted by ImpalerNL

I find it very strange that after a 30mm round hits the wing, it sometimes falls apart and sometimes not, under the same conditions.

I'm surprised you find that strange. It appears normal to me.
In the same way that if I crashed a car into a brick wall 100 times at roughly the same speed, I wouldn't be surprised if the wall sometimes fell over and sometimes didn't.

[ImpalerNL]

Originally Posted by Letum

I'm surprised you find that strange. It appears normal to me.
In the same way that if I crashed a car into a brick wall 100 times at roughly the same speed, I wouldn't be surprised if the wall sometimes fell over and sometimes didn't.

That depents on the size of the car and the wall.

If the car is big enough the wall will fall over 100 out of 100 times.

[Letum]

Well, yes. Making no assumptions about wall/car size, I wouldn't be surprised if the wall always fell over, never fell over or only sometimes fell over.

I wasn't trying to imply that wings should sometimes fall off or not fall off when hit with 30mm rounds. I don't have an opinion about how much damage should be done.
I just meant that different test results under roughly the same test conditions in general, don't surprise me.

[yellonet]

Originally Posted by Letum

I'm surprised you find that strange. It appears normal to me.
In the same way that if I crashed a car into a brick wall 100 times at roughly the same speed, I wouldn't be surprised if the wall sometimes fell over and sometimes didn't.

Agreed. I was going to say something similar.

[Sutts]

Originally Posted by ImpalerNL

I find it very strange that after a 30mm round hits the wing, it sometimes falls apart and sometimes not, under the same conditions.

Each round fired at the wing should have the same probability of ripping it off, under the same conditions.

I'd be worried if a hit in the wing root always took the wing straight off. In reality things just don't work that way. The angle of deflection, angle of penetration, G pulled by target aircraft and the area of the root which is hit will all contribute to varying results. I doubt any test can replicate those factors precisely.

Same goes for fuel tank hits (at least with smaller caliber stuff). Many rounds will pass straight through a self sealing tank with nothing to show for your efforts.