Constructive comments on BOB historical accuracy in Acft skins/markings

[Rodolphe]

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Originally Posted by DoolittleRaider

What it should look like...note the shark teeth, specifically, which were on all II./ZG76 110's from the Battle of France onward, and also the camouflage paint scheme...a scheme of multi-green colors specifically dictated by RLM rather than the later browns and other colors in various theaters.

Though a march 2008 screen, this "Haifisch" skin could be available in this game.

Originally Posted by DoolittleRaider

Also, by the time of the BofB, I believe all 110’s would have been using the Wide white bordered Balkenkruezen as shown in this Profile, not the Narrow white trim of the pre-war through 1939 timeframe.

There are always some counter examples.

Bf 110 [/B]3M+AA ZG 2flown by Oblt.Wilhem Schaefer shot down on September 4th 1940.





Bf 110 C-1 U8+HL W. nr. 1372 ZG 26 crewed by Fw. Hermann Brinkmann and uffz. Erwin Grüschow shot down on September 11th 1940.

Note the I. Gruppe white nose and rear fuselage band applied in the latter stage of the Battle of Britain.





On the Russian theatre, this Bf 110 E S9+AH, 1./SKG 210 (SchnellKampfGeschwader 210)
of Oblt Wolfgang Schenk has been seen at Seschtchinskaya in september 1941 wearing these "early style Balkenkreuz".







But it will be nice to have the fuselage "larger Balkenkreuz" for the game Bf110. ; )


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[Rodolphe]

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I could have missed the "perfect" game screen but
I haven't seen any BoB SoW Bf 110 screen with the aircraft letter codes duplicated on the upper wing like on those actual Zerstörer pictures.
























Not to mention the Do 17, He 111, Ju 87, Ju 88 ...

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[DoolittleRaider]

Rodolphe,

Thanks for posting those photos. It's clear from them that at least some 110's had not changed their balkenkreuzen by the time of the BofB. I'll pass those photos on to the Eagles over Europe Project which is a massive database on WWII aircraft and operations.

With regard to the aircraft letter codes on 110 wings, I agree that they should be there, just as they should be on Ju-87's (which I had researched for another project)...I just thought that I had already thrown enough 'constructive' suggestions/tweaks into the mix.

I think that at some point in the war after BofB they may have stopped placing the ID letters on the 110 wings.

Also, thanks for digging up that 2008 WIP screenie with the shark teeth. It's very comforting and reassuring to know that the teeth are out there, somewhere.

[JG53Frankyboy]

i hope the the JG53 gets its Ace of Spades back if the mission is after 20.November 1940

[csThor]

According to my information that date's outside the scope. I did not make the "Ace of Spades" emblem ...

[DoolittleRaider]

@cs Thor...Just curious if you included the Griffin emblem of St. G 3, shown below on a customized IL2 skin and in the profiles below that. I have a specific interest in this unit as a result of my work on this Stuka website... Ultimately I would like to replace all/most of the IL2 images at the website with higher quality/detailed SOW:BofB Stuka aircraft screenies, and video clips.






Emblem clearly shown below...please disregard that this is a Spring 1941 paint scheme

[csThor]

For the BoB StG 3 (and only Stab and I./StG 3!) was raised and as a brand new unit it did not use emblems before spring 1941. It was a PITA to research that but all evidence I managed to find points to this.

There're quite a lot of mixups about german emblems around and it was not easy to find the grains of truth here.