Future of simulations 2010 discussion

[JG53Harti]

20mm: How do you view open source availability to your product coding?

Oleg: This is usually killing the multiplayer. Once IL-2 was hacked then multiplayer became unfair. So if we are speaking about simulations, then the part of multiplayer and changes of settings should not be with open source code. Other part in some way may be open. But there is a lot of contradictions that again may damage the gameplay with a lot of versions.

thats true +1

[Wolf_Rider]

perfectionism, I guess, can go overboard and be just as detrimental as something half-assed if it is allowed to go to extremes.

Originally Posted by JG53Harti

thats true +1

+2

[EJGr.Ost_Caspar]

Is that your oppinion about IL-2 too?

[DD_crash]

Judging Olegs reply to the copyright question it looks as though it will be very quiet in the Pacific

[swiss]

a civilian flight sim is more likely to survive than a combat sim though,

what?

[Flanker35M]

S!

I rather buy my game as a hardcopy so I can have it on the shelf. Just in case. HAve used RoF plane store without a glitch and Steam too. But still..the game in the shelf is better

Regarding the realism. People want realism that suits their needs and expectations. On the other hand combat sim fans scream and strive accuracy yet they do not want to have even a partial workload the real pilot had. To keep the "fun factor" so to say. Since when was war and dying fun or entertaining? Those vets did not complain about it and flew on, current pilots work under the ever increasing flood of information and advancing technologies in their planes..

Maybe I am one of those fanatics or minority that would not mind having to use the plane's systems as did the real pilots ages ago. To learn it, to see how demanding it really was to be a pilot. The full experience. For me it would be the immersion maker. Not every Joe Average or Fritz Kügelschreiber became a pilot or an ace

[nearmiss]

Those of you who are familiar with and have used "real world" flight simulators know that all the requested detail people whine about in IL2 and SOW is just not the norm for "real world" simulators.

Simulators generally have definite purposes and they are designed to achieve those purposes. That doesn't mean they have dzus fasteners graphically articulated throughout the skin of every aircraft.

IMO, I am fine with IL2 detail levels... Great fixes are already underway with TD, improved AI, navigation, etc. On the fly weather changes would be a welcome improvement, along with a very comprehensive mission builder.

The Online IL2 game is now and always has been the most popular of all the air combat flight simulators. Look at the continued interest in IL2 on all the forums that discuss air combat simulations. IL2 is always the most posted discussions.

If BOB SOW wasn't a near term project and we knew nothing of it; the embellishments to IL2 available now would be suffice. Interest in IL2 would still be the front runner air combat sim, including all new and pending releases.

[Sutts]

Originally Posted by Flanker35M

S!
Maybe I am one of those fanatics or minority that would not mind having to use the plane's systems as did the real pilots ages ago. To learn it, to see how demanding it really was to be a pilot. The full experience. For me it would be the immersion maker. Not every Joe Average or Fritz Kügelschreiber became a pilot or an ace

+1

WWII aircraft like the Spitfire are not too complex at all. Many who flew into battle in these were kids with just a handful of hours on type. I think the problem is the culture of instant gratification for minimal effort and the short attention span of the modern gamer.

I still believe we should be aiming for a sim as realistic as the technology will allow and dumb down through options. If there is concern about casual gamers giving up after selecting full real (for ego reasons) then hide the full real option in a config file that can be changed by those who are ready for it.

I never used to be able to cope with full switch but now I think I'd lose interest if it wasn't there. People need a pathway to follow as they gain more experience. There really is no need to be hobbled by the demands of the casual simmer.

There can be fun in complexity....it's the feeling of achievement/accomplishment when you work at something difficult until it becomes almost second nature. In a small way you've faced and overcome the same problems as those great airman you've read so much about. You begin to think like they did and through that you get a better understanding of the accounts they've left us.

I do understand that some people just want to blast something as quickly as possible though.

[Azimech]

Originally Posted by Wolf_Rider

perfectionism, I guess, can go overboard and be just as detrimental as something half-assed if it is allowed to go to extremes.
+2

Without a certain amount of perfectionism we wouldn't even be on this forum, because there wouldn't have been a sim

Huh, another CTD? Ahw, that's too bad. Hey, anyone want some борщ?

[Wolf_Rider]

Sutts, you yourself mentioned options.
eg another sim series by DCS has a"simulation" setting for simmers and a "arcade" option for those who choose that. So there seems to be the best of, at least, two worlds there out in the open, with both having variable settings. Don't get me wrong, but I ain't going to get into a "full switch is or isn't the only way to go" argument with you.


Azimech (with respect) read the post again, you may have missed the "taken to extremes" part.