A few questions about G limits / corner speed

[SAFMoby]

rephrasing a few questions:-

Are the G limits the same for all planes armed without bombs and fully fuelled
eg does the p51. 109,190 and spit all have the same G limit

Trying to find corner speed experimentally would take a very long time.

It would be nice to know when you are just about to damage the plane not after, hence the need for a better G indication.

And finally, as any fool know, you can exceed max G without black out ask any P51 driver in the game.

Instantaneous G breaks planes, sustained G causes black out

Moby

[Letum]

Are the G limits the same for all planes armed without bombs and fully fuelled
eg does the p51. 109,190 and spit all have the same G limit

No.

Trying to find corner speed experimentally would take a very long time.

It would be nice to know when you are just about to damage the plane not after, hence the need for a better G indication.

Well, you have about as much indication as they did in the 40's. you can't
*feel* G forces, but that shouldn't stop you knowing roughly how much G
you are pulling in a given maneuver at a given speed.

And finally, as any fool know, you can exceed max G without black out ask any P51 driver in the game.

Instantaneous G breaks planes, sustained G causes black out

Yes. it's impossible to warn you in anyway about anything instantaneous.

[Chill31]

Without a G meter, there is no way to know when you have exceeded your aircraft limits prior to exceeding them. This is true in real life.

In all metal aircraft, the first indication you will get that you have exceeded G limits, will be when something fails. You would hear a loud pop most likely, if it is any major component.

Note that cummulative fatigue can go unnoticed until you do get major structural failure!

Given that we are flying simulators, I would say that a nice selectable option would be to have rough G indications that would display on your screen. Maybe you would have a green indicator for 1-3 G, a yellow for 4-6, and red for 7+. This would simulate using only tactile (seat of the pants) sensing of G forces when flying the airplane.

[AndyJWest]

We have 'rough G indications' already - the blackout effect. I'm not sure that putting G indicators into a WW2 aircraft sim is exactly realistic. Real pilots had to do it by feel, so we should do the same - at least we can learn by experience, whereas few real-life pilots would get the opportunity more than once.

[K_Freddie]

Hmmm.. let's just say you've started a 10 pager, at least

[SAFMoby]

Originally Posted by AndyJWest

. Real pilots had to do it by feel, so we should do the same

How to do same by feel?

So far I like the breathing sound idea. Or maybe a little face picture melting as you pull the G on.

I wonder if you tested an experienced fighter pilot, how accurate his perception of G would be versus the G meter reading?

Anything else is guesswork including the black out, this only comes during sustained G. Try this in P47 in a dive easy to pull 9+G and not black out.

I a diving fight the pilot who can fly to the edge of the G limit wins/gets away

Nice to be able to do that.

[JtD]

A pretty good G indicator is the joystick. You pull it back a lot, you have plenty of g.

[_ITAF_Gianpaolo]

Originally Posted by JtD

A pretty good G indicator is the joystick. You pull it back a lot, you have plenty of g.

It's not true, it depends on speed...
you can pull full back an reach max 2g and stall @ low speed...
or you can pull full back @ 450kmh and brake of your wings...

[ZaltysZ]

Originally Posted by Chill31

Maybe you would have a green indicator for 1-3 G, a yellow for 4-6, and red for 7+..

Maybe an audible pilot breathing would be a better solution? 1-3G - no breathing heard, 4-6G harder breathing, 7+G - heavy breathing, but it should not be overdone.

[_ITAF_Gianpaolo]

Originally Posted by ZaltysZ

Maybe an audible pilot breathing would be a better solution? 1-3G - no breathing heard, 4-6G harder breathing, 7+G - heavy breathing, but it should not be overdone.

Good idea!!
G-meter was not present on most WWII aircrafts, so the best way to simulate it is by the breath of the pilot.