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Old 12-18-2010, 08:32 PM
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With this type of attitude, why don't you Euro's stop trying to justify the actions of your ancestors by dragging the USA into the conversation all the time. Their is a price for freedom.

Look at the terrible past actions of your own European countries before you try to drag the actions of the USA down to that level. The actions of the US government do not even come close to the atrocities, death, destruction and sheer numbers of killed caused by European countries throughout their history. Unfortunately we were dragged into your dirty business twice in the past century, but at least we were able to stop a third world war. Without the actions of the "terrible" USA you would have all destroyed yourselves (and the world) long ago.

It is because of our money that you are able to sit in relative safety in your homes and even begin to give biased and propaganda opinions about the actions of the USA.
Shark, that's too direct and too vehement. Not wrong, just....harsh.

In fairness, I think a lot of Europeans appreciate the US as allies just as we appreciate them. But I do think the anti-US and socialist crowds are growing. We could argue about why, but it wouldn't change the fact.

A lot of Americans felt that way prior to 9/11 too. That tragic event woke up some of them (some are slipping back into their old thought processes now though). Europeans didn't have a 9/11 and have no idea how "personal" our war on terror is to most of us. Many are "with us" but can't appreciate the depth of the hurt and anger....I guess we can't expect them to. It is hard for them to comprehend what 9+ years of foiled attacks here are worth to us.

They say we torture and thus are evil. Most have no idea that three terrorists have been waterboarded and that those interrogations account for more than 50% of our information on Al Qaeda. As for the practice itself, I have gone through it and it's terrible but has no lasting effects.

It's hard people outside of the US to understand we are fighting a group of radicals who would kill us all "over there" rather than "over here". This is much like WWII to us in that respect. We were late to this party too.

Anyway, Shark, I am sure you will get blasted for your comments. I probably will too. That's sad but....does it really matter?

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