Daidalos Team's Room -QUESTIONS AND REQUESTS ONLY on IL2 Authorized Addons

[MicroWave]

Originally Posted by I/ZG52_HaDeS

So lets summarise:

A) It is ok certain bombs to have >3 times the effective radius compared with the same family bombs from another side.
B) It is OK that bomb and Rocket pylons from a certain side to NOT cause drag or add weight to certain fighters while all other Pylons add significant weight and drag.
C) Its OK guns from a certain side to be more accurate.

And you are talking about "political agenta",

Anything else?
Are you planning to fix this? And yes, there are data for bombs. I'll send you some time allows.

Cheers,

A) Why wouldn't it be OK, if this matches the historical performance? If you have any documents proving otherwise, feel free to send them to the appropriate address. You don't want us to "balance" things because it is unfair, do you? Have you checked other nations too? I've heard that Japanese have some uber bombs also...
B) Where did you get that from? Maybe those 4 types of pylons are considered as always attached and the penalty for "your" nemesis is always on? You can at least detach "your" pylons and fly without them just by using a different loadout.
C) Which side? Which guns? All I saw was rambling about uber RED guns and completely distorted perception of what the numbers 'mean'.

Are you accusing me of RED bias?
I have to bookmark this post.
I suppose people will easily see who has the agenda here. If you do not completely edit your posts, that is.

We will fix anything that is wrong in the game:
1) if it is feasible (regarding time needed and our skills).
and
2) if we have/obtain evidence to back it up.

Oh, since you are editing your post so fast, I'll preserve this pearl for posterity:

Originally Posted by I/ZG52_HaDeS

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And weight here mainly means Drag!

[bigbossmalone]

dear TD members
some time ago i made a request, if it was possible for you guys to enable padlocking of ships, as can be done with planes and ground targets.
since there was no reply either in either direction, i thought it might be a good idea for me to re-define the question.
currently, ships can be padlocked, but only for about 2-3 seconds, before the padlock is lost - thus rendering the ship padlock ability practically useless.
do you guys think you could fix this, please, and enable ships to be properly padlocked, as one would padlock an aircraft - so that the padlock can be maintained indefinitely, unlesss the player's view to it is obstructed by interference from aircraft cockpit/fuselage/angle?
this would be a much appreciated fix for many peopple. thanks in advance.

[I/ZG52_HaDeS]

Originally Posted by MicroWave

A) Why wouldn't it be OK, if this matches the historical performance? If you have any documents proving otherwise, feel free to send them to the appropriate address. You don't want us to "balance" things because it is unfair, do you? Have you checked other nations too? I've heard that Japanese have some uber bombs also...

Do you have any of these data? And no, i don't want to balance things but to be as close to historical perspective as possible. And about the Japanese: Have you heard this or you have seen this? It is importand.

Originally Posted by MicroWave

B) Where did you get that from? Maybe those 4 types of pylons are considered as always attached and the penalty for "your" nemesis is always on? You can at least detach "your" pylons and fly without them just by using a different loadout.

????
I don't understand what you are saying. Are you saying that these Pylons are ALWAYS attached to the airplanes even in default loadout? In this case you are wrong. An example using these anti-gravity (ops 0 kg i meant) Pylons is the I-16 Type 24.

Originally Posted by MicroWave

C) Which side? Which guns? All I saw was rambling about uber RED guns and completely distorted perception of what the numbers 'mean'.

So you mean that you are unaware of the game's specs? If yes then how will you be able to make proper adjustments? And i clearly stated in simple words what these numbers mean.
I have also "heard" that some certain guns have increased damage and that some other have Twice the penetration ability of some others, have you "heard" it also? A comparison can be made by using some reliable data (except from books of course) like this:
http://www.quarry.nildram.co.uk/WW2guneffect.htm

He is the author of the Flying Guns.

Originally Posted by MicroWave

Are you accusing me of RED bias?
I have to bookmark this post.

I am not accusing anyone for anything. I only want historical accuracy and proper "tuning"/bug correcting of the game.

Originally Posted by MicroWave

I suppose people will easily see who has the agenda here. If you do not completely edit your posts, that is.

I edited what exactly? I didn't edit the MEANING of the posts, but saved space for un-needed "data". It is not the place for extensive inspecting of the data.

Originally Posted by MicroWave

We will fix anything that is wrong in the game:
1) if it is feasible (regarding time needed and our skills).
and
2) if we have/obtain evidence to back it up.

What kind of evident do you need to make the Pylons to have weight?
What kind of data did you use when you made all the rest of the Pylons weighting from 150kgs to weight 15 kgs?

Originally Posted by MicroWave

Oh, since you are editing your post so fast, I'll preserve this pearl for posterity:

Oh, and drag means less maneuvrability, less climbing, etc...
Language barrier? Perhaps.

Cheers,

[MicroWave]

Originally Posted by I/ZG52_HaDeS

Do you have any of these data? And no, i don't want to balance things but to be as close to historical perspective as possible. And about the Japanese: Have you heard this or you have seen this? It is importand.



????
I don't understand what you are saying. Are you saying that these Pylons are ALWAYS attached to the airplanes even in default loadout? In this case you are wrong. An example using these anti-gravity (ops 0 kg i meant) Pylons is the I-16 Type 24.



So you mean that you are unaware of the game's specs? If yes then how will you be able to make proper adjustments? And i clearly stated in simple words what these numbers mean.
I have also "heard" that some certain guns have increased damage and that some other have Twice the penetration ability of some others, have you "heard" it also? A comparison can be made by using some reliable data (except from books of course) like this:
http://www.quarry.nildram.co.uk/WW2guneffect.htm

He is the author of the Flying Guns.



I am not accusing anyone for anything. I only want historical accuracy and proper "tuning"/bug correcting of the game.



I edited what exactly? I didn't edit the MEANING of the posts, but saved space for un-needed "data". It is not the place for extensive inspecting of the data.



What kind of evident do you need to make the Pylons to have weight?
What kind of data did you use when you made all the rest of the Pylons weighting from 150kgs to weight 15 kgs?



Oh, and drag means less maneuvrability, less climbing, etc...
Language barrier? Perhaps.

Cheers,

What are you blabbering about? Read your posts again.
You presented false and incomplete information. I've responded to that.

If you have more issues to present, do it properly this time. I have given you all the necessary information how to do that.

Oh, and about that language barrier you hit; try googling for basic forces of flight.

[II/JG54_Emil]

Originally Posted by MicroWave

What are you blabbering about? Read your posts again.
You presented false and incomplete information. I've responded to that.

If you have more issues to present, do it properly this time. I have given you all the necessary information how to do that.

Oh, and about that language barrier you hit; try googling for basic forces of flight.

What are you blabbering, to use your vocabulary. You got alarming data and you pretend you don´t see it!


Others say it´s cherry picking, while I can plant a cherry-tree forest by now.

[Fafnir_6]

Wow....

Calm down, guys. What the hell happened to respectful requests for additions, backed up by reputable data?

Sheesh.

Fafnir_6

[ElAurens]

Hence, UP is known as the "Blue Mod Pack".

The real issue is that even if you have data obtained by cracking IL2's code, you still don't know how the internals of the game's engine use that data.

The MK 108 is a case in point. If you look at the raw data, it has a projectile diameter of 57mm. Yet most agree that it's effectiveness in game is pretty much historical for a 30mm gun. Why? Because of the mechanics of the game engine itself. It is not as cut and dried as "gun X has a 57mm bore so it behaves like a 57mm gun".

But some folks just refuse to understand that salient point, or ignore it on purpose to advance their particular agenda.

[robtek]

Originally Posted by ElAurens

Hence, UP is known as the "Blue Mod Pack".......

And your proof is?

If that wording isn't biased, i don't know what is!

Statements without proof are just noise and smoke!

[JG52Karaya]

Originally Posted by ElAurens

The MK 108 is a case in point. If you look at the raw data, it has a projectile diameter of 57mm. Yet most agree that it's effectiveness in game is pretty much historical for a 30mm gun.

Sorry to say but that is complete nonsense. There actually isnt even a "diameter" variable for any of the aircraft weapons, only a "calibre" value which itself is linked to armour penetration and not the actual calibre.

And I also believe that people have a point here about the bombs, there are very large discrepancies between the bombs of all the various nations (wether its Soviet, US, UK, German, Japanese,...) and wether this is actually realistic should be proven with proper data.

[II/JG54_Emil]

Originally Posted by ElAurens

Hence, UP is known as the "Blue Mod Pack".

The real issue is that even if you have data obtained by cracking IL2's code, you still don't know how the internals of the game's engine use that data.

The MK 108 is a case in point. If you look at the raw data, it has a projectile diameter of 57mm. Yet most agree that it's effectiveness in game is pretty much historical for a 30mm gun. Why? Because of the mechanics of the game engine itself. It is not as cut and dried as "gun X has a 57mm bore so it behaves like a 57mm gun".

But some folks just refuse to understand that salient point, or ignore it on purpose to advance their particular agenda.

Oh man, what are you talking about 57mm?
Which game do you fly?

You apparently haven´t looked into the data of IL2.

In IL2 the MK108 is:
HE(-M)-T
500 m/s
42 g Explosives

historically the MK108 has these values:
HE-(M)-T
540 m/s
85 g (various fillings including TNT, Penthrite wax, and a mix of 75% Hexogen, 20% Al, 5% wax)

and

HE(-M)-T
330 g
505 m/s
72 g (various fillings including TNT, Penthrite wax, and a mix of 75% Hexogen, 20% Al, 5% wax)

While historically 4 shots were needed to down a B-17.
In game you need around 10.


Now please, don´t come with the Luft-wining argument again.
If you want to talk about facts then let´s talk about fact!

Another fact is that the FAB bombs were not always modeled with a super-huge bombradius.