In SOW please don't log the gunner position change because people tend to cheat.

[BLR_Tonin_fr]

Originally Posted by I/ZG52_Gaga

Blue side doesn't have to cheat - we play a rigged game and we know it!

ok I fly 50% red 50% blue...

Am I only one half of a cheater ?

Geeez !

[AndyJWest]

A ridiculous way to address a problem, even if it actually existed. A clear attempt to whine about IL-2 rather than comment on what SoW should do. If you have to resort to this sort of thing to complain about 'cheaters' and the game being 'rigged', I'd say you have a pretty poor case.

Total Nonsense.

[LoBiSoMeM]

Extremly competitive behavior + online team gaming = some of the most pathetic acts an human being can do.

It's impossible to prevent cheating. The only way is game/fly with normal people, who flies to have fun, not win some "important contest"...

All games have this. The problem isn't the exploits in game, it's the human nature: some of us are just plain stupid.

[fruitbat]

Originally Posted by AndyJWest

A ridiculous way to address a problem,

Total Nonsense.

you should know.

[KG26_Alpha]

Originally Posted by AndyJWest

A ridiculous way to address a problem, even if it actually existed. A clear attempt to whine about IL-2 rather than comment on what SoW should do. If you have to resort to this sort of thing to complain about 'cheaters' and the game being 'rigged', I'd say you have a pretty poor case.

Total Nonsense.

What's been nonsense for 10 years exactly.

The fact you can see a pilot move from seat to seat in the log file output and place the co-ordinates on the map you are flying to see where they are in the mission.

Or something else ?

In a Gagaesque way he's asking to plug the hole, and also threw in some conspiracy theory too simply troll at you.

[Former_Older]

Originally Posted by KG26_Alpha

What's been nonsense for 10 years exactly.

The fact you can see a pilot move from seat to seat in the log file output and place the co-ordinates on the map you are flying to see where they are in the mission.

Or something else ?

In a Gagaesque way he's asking to plug the hole, and also threw in some conspiracy theory too simply troll at you.

Hi

Gaga's trolling adds nothing to the issue. let's agree to recognize that two issues are at hand:

1) gaga's blue vs red stance
2) cheating by using an exploit

There's two separate issues. While I believe that gaga brings up a valid 'cheating by exploit' issue, his red vs blue rhetoric is silly

[II/JG54_Emil]

Originally Posted by Former_Older

Hi

Gaga's trolling adds nothing to the issue. let's agree to recognize that two issues are at hand:

1) gaga's blue vs red stance
2) cheating by using an exploit

There's two separate issues. While I believe that gaga brings up a valid 'cheating by exploit' issue, his red vs blue rhetoric is silly

If we all agree, let´s continue the discussion with number 2.

[Former_Older]

Originally Posted by II/JG54_Emil

If we all agree, let´s continue the discussion with number 2.

I certainly do agree

I believe that I read about the cure for this on a modding forum. I'm not 100% that it's OK to post a link to the discussion though

edit-

Found it. It was started by Gaga and he knows a mod can fix this in Il2

However he makes valid points about this issue for SOW in this thread

[I/ZG52_Gaga]

Originally Posted by Former_Older

Hi

Gaga's trolling adds nothing to the issue. let's agree to recognize that two issues are at hand:

1) gaga's blue vs red stance
2) cheating by using an exploit

There's two separate issues. While I believe that gaga brings up a valid 'cheating by exploit' issue, his red vs blue rhetoric is silly

You can't be in my shoes co's you haven't invested (so to speak), at least that's my

assessment co's i've have never encountered your callsign in any On-line war, the hours i

have logged ( free willingly cos i love IL2) in this community.


If you have suffered this injustice which is without limits

ranging from allied biased stock game "bugs" to the setup of the on-line wars

where you really lose it when you realize that the Reds running the competition

use later chronology tanks to attack & defend than the one running at the time.


Furthermore and before the new era of IL2 we had to attack in late 44 with Stukas

because for no apparent reason the IL2 artists forgot to give the blue side early or late

models (only 110 G2) of schnellbombers .... but we had to have all Pe2 models didn't we!


Closing yes all the people / Squads that have been banned for creating & using cheats

are red players (i don't know if you know / remember [b]speed hack[/]) that are notorious

within the IL2 community for their activities.

I will not point a finger .. ask someone you know who is experienced in these matters.

No offence but i know what i'm talking about.


And yes it is not the main point but a point none the less & a fact.

Best regards

[BadAim]

Originally Posted by I/ZG52_Gaga

You can't be in my shoes co's you haven't invested (so to speak), at least that's my

assessment co's i've have never encountered your callsign in any On-line war, the hours i

have logged ( free willingly cos i love IL2) in this community.


If you have suffered this injustice which is without limits

ranging from allied biased stock game "bugs" to the setup of the on-line wars

where you really lose it when you realize that the Reds running the competition

use later chronology tanks to attack & defend than the one running at the time.


Furthermore and before the new era of IL2 we had to attack in late 44 with Stukas

because for no apparent reason the IL2 artists forgot to give the blue side early or late

models (only 110 G2) of schnellbombers .... but we had to have all Pe2 models didn't we!


Closing yes all the people / Squads that have been banned for creating & using cheats

are red players (i don't know if you know / remember [b]speed hack[/]) that are notorious

within the IL2 community for their activities.

I will not point a finger .. ask someone you know who is experienced in these matters.

No offence but i know what i'm talking about.


And yes it is not the main point but a point none the less & a fact.

Best regards

I've been flying mostly blue since the day the original IL2 came out and I am of the opinion that the above is nonsense, especially the last line. You have offended every player that ever flies red with your broad brush insults, and this blue flyer as well. As far as your elitist assertions of your expertise, they pretty much get buried by your sniveling.