Anyone go through all the Wizard Tower?

[Kings Bounty Hunter]

How many times have you banged your desk using the single stack of Black Dragons technique?

10 so far

[ckdamascus]

Originally Posted by Kings Bounty Hunter

How many times have you banged your desk using the single stack of Black Dragons technique?

10 so far

I end up using a different technique.

Phantom rune mage-> summon illusion...

Ball of lightning to slowly whittle down the enemy forces.

Then I start throwing out mystic eggs.

That said, has anyone tried to good ol solo black knight combination? I figured that 'might' work? I guess the inquisitors will blast him a new undead visor... haha.

I was able to beat the last floor in 26 rounds, using a warrior class and rune mages, ball of lighting, mystic egg, somehow I managed to throw in a ancient phoenix too... hm...

[Kings Bounty Hunter]

Originally Posted by ckdamascus

I end up using a different technique.

Phantom rune mage-> summon illusion...

Ball of lightning to slowly whittle down the enemy forces.

Then I start throwing out mystic eggs.

That said, has anyone tried to good ol solo black knight combination? I figured that 'might' work? I guess the inquisitors will blast him a new undead visor... haha.

I was able to beat the last floor in 26 rounds, using a warrior class and rune mages, ball of lighting, mystic egg, somehow I managed to throw in a ancient phoenix too... hm...

Getting my ass handed to me using a single stack of Paladins..gave up on the dragons and using anything more than a single stack is just too much micro managing.

EDIT!

96 rounds lol

ALT between Magic spring and Resurrect basically.

[atlatea]

Well, i always use single BD (need holy anger 3, adrenaline 3, voice of dragon 3 and at least 1 lv of transmute) + gizmo + couple of poison skull and fear for last fight, it never dissapoint me, especially for no loss game, though i don't do no loss game anymore in favor of paladin resurection build (and the choice of troops in no loss game are very very limited ), and because of that it become very easy, almost all enemies (except bosses) are defeatable with single BD (dead BDs are 100% resurected), but i won't do that unless in some circumtances.

Maybe single veteran orcs is great too, though i never like single stack strategy unless there is no other easy option. I begin to love this orcs, they're very powerful (high damage, no retal, counter counter attack, evasion, all in one). Currently trying almost full elven setup, if it weren't for elves hatred to orc, i'd probably add this awesome orc veteran to my army.

[ckdamascus]

Originally Posted by atlatea

Well, i always use single BD (need holy anger 3, adrenaline 3, voice of dragon 3 and at least 1 lv of transmute) + gizmo + couple of poison skull and fear for last fight, it never dissapoint me, especially for no loss game, though i don't do no loss game anymore in favor of paladin resurection build (and the choice of troops in no loss game are very very limited ), and because of that it become very easy, almost all enemies (except bosses) are defeatable with single BD (dead BDs are 100% resurected), but i won't do that unless in some circumtances.

Maybe single veteran orcs is great too, though i never like single stack strategy unless there is no other easy option. I begin to love this orcs, they're very powerful (high damage, no retal, counter counter attack, evasion, all in one). Currently trying almost full elven setup, if it weren't for elves hatred to orc, i'd probably add this awesome orc veteran to my army.

Orc Veterans are great. They can easily get to no-retaliation mode. I even used them against the Driller by doing hit and run and I think the other lower bosses too.

Even before they hit the no-retaliation mode, they do a ton of damage due to the "counter-counterstrike". So they make excellent phantom candidates as well.

Although, I ended up just using straight up orc ranged units.

Yeah, I sort of hate the whole no-loss thing too since it does restrict my unit choices a lot.

I couldn't even bear to do virtual no-loss with the paladin either.

[atlatea]

Regarding loss, i think that it's only natural to have losses, because the developer also planned this path (the other being no loss), if not, they won't give you massive amount of unit for restock. And losses never affect final score (it's losing a battle that affect it not casualties of the battle).

Yup, the most hated thing about no loss is the limit of troop choice. I begin to accept losses (though i try to minimize it) in favor of much more variety of troops, that's why i choose paladin with resurection, so as you said, virtual losses, still count as casualties but i don't lose any troops. But this easily gives me the freedom to use full troop with any troops i want as long as i have target, stoneskin/divine armor and a tank/sometimes secondary tank (well, againts lv 5 some other spells are needed as well). And i think all races have tank, though i usually bring paladin for mass resurect.

Currently most of my games rules are blind game (must not use KBScanner), no map kiting at all (to forces me to use variety of units), limiting reloading (save n reload must be kept at minimum), and finish the game as fast as possible. Not using KBScanner means i must plan according to random situation, and this is the hardest obstacle in my game, though it's the best part of my game.

[ckdamascus]

Originally Posted by atlatea

Regarding loss, i think that it's only natural to have losses, because the developer also planned this path (the other being no loss), if not, they won't give you massive amount of unit for restock. And losses never affect final score (it's losing a battle that affect it not casualties of the battle).

Yup, the most hated thing about no loss is the limit of troop choice. I begin to accept losses (though i try to minimize it) in favor of much more variety of troops, that's why i choose paladin with resurection, so as you said, virtual losses, still count as casualties but i don't lose any troops. But this easily gives me the freedom to use full troop with any troops i want as long as i have target, stoneskin/divine armor and a tank/sometimes secondary tank (well, againts lv 5 some other spells are needed as well). And i think all races have tank, though i usually bring paladin for mass resurect.

Currently most of my games rules are blind game (must not use KBScanner), no map kiting at all (to forces me to use variety of units), limiting reloading (save n reload must be kept at minimum), and finish the game as fast as possible. Not using KBScanner means i must plan according to random situation, and this is the hardest obstacle in my game, though it's the best part of my game.

Actually, that was always my main driver for no-loss. Unit replenishment and gold.

First time I played on Impossible, I ran out of gold and was like... what the? Couldn't buy artifacts, etc.

So, now it is built into my brain to always do that since sometimes my army build won't be the right one, and I have to rebuy an army.

A lot of the times, there are key units that are simply not available to satisfy your leadership, even if I had the money. e.g. like only 4 trolls in existance, etc.

Sacrifice isn't always an option nor fun. At least now with "trophy / training" the options are more open.

Just curiously enough, what new units have you opened yourself up to by using the Paladin and his Mind Skill: Resurrection?

Since the resource situation and the possibility of re-tooling an army is still there, but you are still resurrecting most units anyways for nearly no-loss, what unit are you using to really take advantage of that?

I do find that even though I am not really using the "resurrection" factor of the Mind Skill: Resurrection, that the bonus conferred to my Paladins and Rune Mages is quite nice coupled with the high defense build AND very high damaging units.

I was originally slating my demoness for it, but she is simply too slow. If only she was faster, since her stats are amazing when combining Agvares and the Princess Set + Wedding Dress.

I used to like blind games, but the funny thing is, I found myself even MORE forced into a set of the limited key units anyways. I know it seems counter-intuitive.

Mostly because, I can't find or use the less common troops, so I end up gravitating to the usual crew. I can't usually get rid of the Paladin Unit unless I go heavy level 5s and rune mages. Haha.

Also, only after certain item combinations are achieved, do some units become far more viable.

Lately, I have been trying to think of nearly overpowered combinations, then trying to make them supposedly work. Who would have thought about using Goblins, Orc Veterans, and Paladins to bring down Driller? No-losses too!

Shooters weren't so popular either for a while, but I saw one guy did it, and I tried to work it in.

I usually like playing for speed. If I take over 30 rounds to win in a tedious manner, I feel really bad and depressed due to boredom.

Now I am using Lake Fairies as my primary killer since I have the Princess Set. I have to say, I am really impressed so far. I doubt they will make it through the bosses though, but who knows. I'll definitely give it a whirl when I get to it though.

[Minecontrol]

Originally Posted by atlatea

Yup, the most hated thing about no loss is the limit of troop choice. I begin to accept losses (though i try to minimize it) in favor of much more variety of troops, that's why i choose paladin with resurection, so as you said, virtual losses, still count as casualties but i don't lose any troops. But this easily gives me the freedom to use full troop with any troops i want as long as i have target, stoneskin/divine armor and a tank/sometimes secondary tank (well, againts lv 5 some other spells are needed as well). And i think all races have tank, though i usually bring paladin for mass resurect.

They should have increased the power of the resurrection spell, it is ridiculous that no matter how much int you have your stack of paladins will probably still be able to resurrect more.... Near the end of the game during recovery phase in difficult battles like Scrounger i was using Turn Back Time to regenerate my Paladin skill for the resurrections. They also should have made it possible to extend it to include level 5 creatures (say make this dependable on level of magic light (the resurrection helper skill in the mage tree) so that lvl 3 magic light allows lvl 5 resurrection) let order level + intelligence mainly dictate amount of hp restored.

Paladins are crazily overpowered so in any noloss it is hard to have to leave them out of it.