Friday 2010-11-12 Dev. update and Discussion

[Peffi]

Originally Posted by Avimimus

why not model the world they exist in? If we just wanted to model flight we would have the calculations with neither planes nor landscapes....

Isn't that exactly what Oleg is doing, modelling the world the planes exist in? Just because Oleg doesen't model every flower and bush that exist in England and put them in their right spot doesn't mean he just as well should skip modelling airplanes, horizon, landscape etc. Your reasoning is completely void of logic.

[Avimimus]

Originally Posted by Peffi

Isn't that exactly what Oleg is doing, modelling the world the planes exist in? Just because Oleg doesen't model every flower and bush that exist in England and put them in their right spot doesn't mean he just as well should skip modelling airplanes, horizon, landscape etc. Your reasoning is completely void of logic.

Well, rather my point was that the level of detail on airplanes is also well beyond what is necessary for a basic simulation (64x64 textures would work fine etc.)

I agree that it probably isn't very important for England. But, some countries do have very complicated terrains (eg. extensive marshlands, or major changes in elevation) which can have very different types of plants at different elevations etc.

It may not matter now - but it could become extremely useful for modelling some parts of the world.

P.S My argument in the post you refered to is excessive precisely because it applies logic - it is devoid of common sense though.

[MD_Titus]

excellent vids, absolutely first rate.

Originally Posted by Avimimus

Well, rather my point was that the level of detail on airplanes is also well beyond what is necessary for a basic simulation (64x64 textures would work fine etc.)

I agree that it probably isn't very important for England. But, some countries do have very complicated terrains (eg. extensive marshlands, or major changes in elevation) which can have very different types of plants at different elevations etc.

It may not matter now - but it could become extremely useful for modelling some parts of the world.

P.S My argument in the post you refered to is excessive precisely because it applies logic - it is devoid of common sense though.

very good point actually. travelling over flat areas that vary between dry and marshland would, without proper vegetation, be indistinguishable. however, one can be landed on, t'other ditched in.

[kedrednael]

Originally Posted by Avimimus

Well, rather my point was that the level of detail on airplanes is also well beyond what is necessary for a basic simulation (64x64 textures would work fine etc.)

I agree that it probably isn't very important for England. But, some countries do have very complicated terrains (eg. extensive marshlands, or major changes in elevation) which can have very different types of plants at different elevations etc.

It may not matter now - but it could become extremely useful for modelling some parts of the world.

I think the cliffs of dover a good example of change in elevation, we also saw a low- res photo from an online map with mountains, the tops didn't have any trees and the lower parts did. So if I have understood you well enough everything can be modelled.
And sow is not a basic simulation, it's a highly detailed flight simulation.

Fantastic update, it looks absolutely great! The amount of houses and details really amazes me.

[ATAG_Dutch]

Has anyone noticed the gorgeous sea mist along the cliffs in the Tiger Moth sequence?

Then the misted valley/estuary behind the 109?

This bodes well for the inclusion of smog effects over cities.

I'm sure they'll iron out the bug associated with white outlines when on fire. It may even be a low res youtube issue. Anyone?

If this is 'early display version with limited features', we're in for some good immersive stuff.

Superb.

[lbuchele]

Well,I'm glad that the trolls stopped to say that SOW is the same thing that IL2 ,finally.
Possibly with fear to be too ridiculous at this point.

[philip.ed]

Originally Posted by Dutch_851

Has anyone noticed the gorgeous sea mist along the cliffs in the Tiger Moth sequence?

Then the misted valley/estuary behind the 109?

This bodes well for the inclusion of smog effects over cities.

I'm sure they'll iron out the bug associated with white outlines when on fire.

If this is 'early display version with limited features', we're in for some good immersive stuff.

Superb.

I noticed it, but you have certainly touched on something here I hadn't thought of this myself. Excellent suggestion I must say. The only thing to consider is how this smog looks. Is it just like a fog? or is it heavier and blends with the clouds?
When I went to Cairo 2 years ago, there was a heavy smog there. It looks like a fog, but it's weird as it only falls around the city; so when I stood near the pyramids looking onto Cairo, the city was covered, but the smog quickly dissipated into nothing. As I said, it bears resemblance to a fog, but is a lot dirtier. I'm not sure how it would look from an aerial persepctive.

Well, something like this I'd imagine (a quick google-images search)
http://www.google.co.uk/images?hl=en...=&oq=&gs_rfai=

[ATAG_Dutch]

Originally Posted by philip.ed

I noticed it, but you have certainly touched on something here I hadn't thought of this myself. Excellent suggestion I must say. The only thing to consider is how this smog looks. Is it just like a fog? or is it heavier and blends with the clouds?

If you look at the far horizon behind the 109 looking seaward, there's a band of 'atmospheric distortion cum mist' that looks a murky yellow colour. Coupled with the seamist effect, you'd get the 'dirty yellow, curry coloured, smoggy smoke' that Wellum speaks of.
Unfortunately, I'm also old enough to remember smog for myself.
I've no idea if that's technically possible of course!
Or if it's possible to have it 'hanging' over the city and petering out, but here's hoping.
I could happily live without it though.

[philip.ed]

Originally Posted by Dutch_851

If you look at the far horizon behind the 109 looking seaward, there's a band of 'atmospheric distortion cum mist' that looks a murky yellow colour. Coupled with the seamist effect, you'd get the 'dirty yellow, curry coloured, smoggy smoke' that Wellum speaks of.

I've no idea if that's technically possible of course!
Or if it's possible to have it 'hanging' over the city and petering out, but here's hoping.
I could happily live without it though.

+1

[Romanator21]

Well, smog is kept at a certain thickness due to an "inversion layer" of the atmosphere where it actually gets warmer with altitude. This is a cap on the smog.

So, on a rainy day when the air is unstable, the inversion disappears, and the smog disperses. Then, as you walk out after the rain has stopped, and the clouds are breaking up, you wonder, "My, the air is quite clear and crisp today!"

Anyway, from the air, at about the altitude of the inversion, you may see clear blue sky above you, and a "horizon", below which is just brown. Just a thick brown blanket over everything. From the ground, you barely notice it, just a grey pallor to the sky. But from the air the smog layer as stark as day. It's a comforting thought, knowing that you are breathing in that muck.