Friday 2010-10-29 Dev. update and Discussion

[philip.ed]

I think there is a line, though. Some of the things you have asked for, Hecke, have just been way too complex IMO for the team to model; and Oleg himself said as such.
Don't get me wrong, I think posts where people point out inaccuracies or improvements is fine, but one has to draw a line somewhere.
Now before people say, "hang on, aren't you being hypocritical?" I would say, in my own defence, that any improvements I've ever suggested have been cosmetic. For example, the cloud shape to me is just wrong; and the recent videos have highlighted this. I don't think it would take a lot to change the model; as it is the model looks like Il-2, so perhaps it's never been tweaked?
And regarding terrain, the videos have made it look a lot better Considering any improvements that will come from updates, I'm more than happy. Not that my opinion matters though; I'm just throwing this out there. Ignore me

Originally Posted by philip.ed

I think there is a line, though. Some of the things you have asked for, Hecke, have just been way too complex IMO for the team to model; and Oleg himself said as such.

And how the hell shall I know what is too complex for these russian developers?
We are at end of 2010, I think almost everything is possible, it's just if the developers want it or not. So why don't you let Oleg decide what he thinks is worth an answer and what is crap.
I don't assume to know their skills, you guys do.

[philip.ed]

Originally Posted by Hecke

And how the hell shall I know what is too complex for these russian developers?
We are at end of 2010, I think almost everything is possible, it's just if the developers want it or not. So why don't you let Oleg decide what he thinks is worth an answer and what is crap.
I don't assume to know their skills, you guys do.

Hmm, good point. In this situation, I think people who get annoyed should just keep it to themselves. This isn't real life (LOL if it was) and so if people get annoyed at this stuff then......
But surely you can guess that thousands of bomb craters 30ft deep would just not work?

I think people only get annoyed when you moan about the graphics. I mean you did post the one picture that showed bad graphics

Originally Posted by philip.ed

Hmm, good point. In this situation, I think people who get annoyed should just keep it to themselves. This isn't real life (LOL if it was) and so if people get annoyed at this stuff then......
But surely you can guess that thousands of bomb craters 30ft deep would just not work?

I think people only get annoyed when you moan about the graphics. I mean you did post the one picture that showed bad graphics

Thousand bomb craters
30ft would be awesome, for my sake he can then limit it to 50 craters.
No no, you are right that's too much.

But actually I seemed to be the only one who was interested in whether it's just simple texture or a 3D hole.

[philip.ed]

I had asked if it'd be 3D before. But that was a while ago

[The Kraken]

Originally Posted by Hecke

And how the hell shall I know what is too complex for these russian developers?
We are at end of 2010, I think almost everything is possible, it's just if the developers want it or not. So why don't you let Oleg decide what he thinks is worth an answer and what is crap.
I don't assume to know their skills, you guys do.

That's some seriously twisted thinking and probably explains the demanding tone in a lot of your posts. So you seriously think that whatever feature does not make it into the game is because Oleg and his team don't "want" it or are too lazy to do it? As you admit yourself, you don't have an idea about the complexity of such a project, the required work and the limitations they have to overcome. Your conclusion that therefore it should be fine for you to expect and demand anything you can dream of is seriously flawed.

Welcome to the real world.

Originally Posted by The Kraken

So you seriously think that whatever feature does not make it into the game is because Oleg and his team don't "want" it or are too lazy to do it? As you admit yourself, you don't have an idea about the complexity of such a project, the required work and the limitations they have to overcome.

Actually, yes, if Oleg doesn't include a feature then it's most likely because he doesn't want to waste that much time for programming it due to what he thinks bad cost-benefit-ratio.

Originally Posted by philip.ed

I had asked if it'd be 3D before. But that was a while ago

And what was the answer, if you got one?

[philip.ed]

I don't recall getting an answer. Anyway, it negates the fact that Oleg has now said they will be 3D which is awesome.

Originally Posted by philip.ed

...Oleg has now said they will be 3D which is awesome.

I think it wasn't Oleg, it was a russian at the sukhoi forum.
But the translation of it imo wasn't that clear.

But 3D craters is really awesome and a huge step forward.

[airmalik]

Originally Posted by Hecke

Actually, yes, if Oleg doesn't include a feature then it's most likely because he doesn't want to waste that much time for programming it due to what he thinks bad cost-benefit-ratio.

Hecke, even more important factor is balance. Even if Oleg's team had all the time in the world, there would be missing details simply because there's a limit to what today's PCs can handle. So in the interest of keeping the game playable on current PCs, certain details wouldn't make it to the game even if Oleg had all the time or resources in the world.

For instance, I recall Oleg mentioning that they had actually implemented grass in IL2 back in 2000 but it never made it into the released game due to performance reasons.

Just because you don't see a certain detail in the game doesn't mean they can't do it or don't want to do it.