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IL-2 Sturmovik: Cliffs of Dover Latest instalment in the acclaimed IL-2 Sturmovik series from award-winning developer Maddox Games.

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Old 11-03-2010, 12:37 PM
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If anyone is trying to decide what they should get, go to tom's hardware, check out the video card chart in your game of choice, and see the performance stats of all the different cards.
Well I just did that and they don't cover the 6000 series yet in their Graphics card best buy Hierarchy. What they do say here..

http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/...arts,2776.html

is "The Radeon HD 6870 is slower than Radeon HD 5870. Radeon HD 6850 is slower than Radeon HD 5850. It's confusing, we know, but AMD has what it considers a good explanation for the naming scheme." and in the final page Verdict "The high-end Radeon HD 5870 and 5970 will be replaced by the “Cayman” and “Antilles” Radeon HD 6900-series before the end of Q4 2010."... also supported by supposedly leaked AMD information (I won't post the link as there may be legal issues) stating the ATI "Cayman" is supposedly being released late November=6970?, Antilles in December=6990?

There's nothing on AMDs site about the 6900 series and they don't answer the phone ("leave a number and we'll call back") but other Google-guessers are expecting release in late November and guessing the 6970 to be round 1/3 more in price than 5870. It's only someone's guesswork though. So I may have to wait ?

Back to this Thread, I don't see AMD doing anything more before SoW is released so for me that's part of the system spec puzzle resolved. 6970/6990 will probably be the way to go for max effect unless you want to wait for Nvidia's response. But what do I know?
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Old 11-03-2010, 01:17 PM
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Struck by this quote from the TomsHardware article

http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/...arts,2776.html

"And in the midst of all of that jockeying, there are new games launching that may or may not be under the influence of developers who selectively cooperate with one GPU vendor or the other. These are anticipated games. Games we've wanted to test for some time now. But we face the possibility that one hardware architecture might be highly-optimized, while the other company's driver team still hasn't seen the title running. Now there's a recipe for hard-to-explain benchmark results."

Given Oleg's arranged presentation for nVidia this week ( and i believe I remember him saying that he'd made overtures to AMD/ATI but had got no replies or interest...) then we may have another situation like for il-2 where nVidia are the way to go???

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Old 11-04-2010, 11:54 PM
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Didn't Oleg mention a long while back that they were using their own physics engine????
I haven't been here that long (which is just as well, I'd be out of my mind with all the expectation), bt if that's the case, thanks for the heads up.

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do you guys know, if ...

a AMD - ATI combination works better than a AMD - Nvidia combo?

or if ...

a Intel - Nvidia combination works better than a Intel - ATI combo?

Just wondering because AMD and Intel are competitors as well as Nvidia and ATI, so they might have intentionally done sth to make some combinations work not as good.
Well obviously ATI was taken over by AMD, do the new 6xxx series are AMD, and will obviously work well with AMD CPUs. And I'm sure all manufacturers want their products to work well with whatever system their customer may have (i've not seen any reports of collusion).

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Struck by this quote from the TomsHardware article

"And in the midst of all of that jockeying, there are new games launching that may or may not be under the influence of developers who selectively cooperate with one GPU vendor or the other."
Yes there are some games that have received funding from card manufacturers - eg, Nvidea paid a chunk for Crysis, and no doubt had an input on its development. Nvidea and Ubisoft are boosom buddies - ATI cards were running Assassin's Creed better than Nvidia thanks to DirectX 10.1, and support for 10.1 was suddenly removed, ruining performance for many ATI owners. There has recently been fighting between AMD (was ATI) and Nvidia over Ubisoft's new HAWX 2 game - before it passed Beta it was being used for benchmarking in reviews (not unusual), and was perfoming better with Nivdia cards. AMD cried foul, and said they'd be able to work on the drivers once they were given access to the game.

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Given Oleg's arranged presentation for nVidia this week ( and i believe I remember him saying that he'd made overtures to AMD/ATI but had got no replies or interest...) then we may have another situation like for il-2 where nVidia are the way to go???
Particulalry with Ubisoft rumoured to be the publisher outside of Russia, that is a concern. I currently own an Nvidia card, and I'm waiting for this game before upgrading, but the fact is that AMD cards are currently better than Nivdia cards, but it's possible the game could be made to suit Nvidia better.

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Old 11-05-2010, 03:15 AM
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The sim will run under DX9,10 or 11.

Just one API at a time to be used by NVIDIA and ATI. The "tweaks" to one side or other are minimal.

People are scared for nothing. If some game dev create a game with serious performance issues or visual degradation in some VGA brand, this dev was really a "genious"...

The "optimized" is more "I received some money from X to put some logo in the splash screen"...

Relax! I will buy one HD 5850 1GB to run SoW BoB.
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Old 11-05-2010, 04:35 AM
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Hi, I wanted to ask...if I bend down with my trackir in the cockpit of my plane to avoid the bullets of the enemy, will it be possible to avoid being killed in BOB?
Strange but valid question, isn't it?

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Old 11-05-2010, 04:57 AM
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Hi, I wanted to ask...if I bend down with my trackir in the cockpit of my plane to avoid the bullets of the enemy, will it be possible to avoid being killed in BOB?
Strange but valid question, isn't it?

Greetings
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Actually it's not to bad a question. I've always wanted to crouch down behind the engine in a head-on game of chicken.

Of course you wouldn't be able to see where your going and if the other guy does it as well it would only end in a bad way!

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Old 11-05-2010, 09:13 AM
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The sim will run under DX9,10 or 11.
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Relax! I will buy one HD 5850 1GB to run SoW BoB.
I guess you guys have all been following Oleg's latest thread including the page linked below with videos and related posts about system spec Oleg was stuck with for the presentation (particularly 2Gb RAM)


i5 Processor (corrected as csThors post below)
Nvidia 460
2GB RAM

http://forum.1cpublishing.eu/showthr...=17135&page=74

(Good luck reading through all the other irrelevant crap)

This is also quite helpful:
http://www.tomshardware.co.uk/gaming...w-32039-7.html

The 5850 is reckoned equal to the 6870 and apparently the 6000 series are better for Tesselation although I don't know if that's an issue with SoW. I don't really know where the 5850 will stand in SoW, I'm trying to decide between a 5870 or wait for the 6970 (if I can afford it). The 5850 runs IL-2 and FSX very well on my laptop but I don't know how well it will run SoW. One comfort is that Oleg's 460 is a little further down the list and if the presentation stutters are caused by too little RAM the higher cards on the list may deliver well in SoW.
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Old 11-05-2010, 09:18 AM
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In fact that exhibition processor is just an i5, not an i7.
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Old 11-05-2010, 07:39 PM
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Did Oleg mention anything about a release date at the game exhibition???
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Old 11-05-2010, 09:14 PM
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I'm trying to decide between a 5870 or wait for the 6970 (if I can afford it).
Unless you're getting a really good deal, the 5xxx series aren't a good buy at the moment. The 6xxx series are better for equal money, and if the game develops (as IL2 did) to be more power hungry in a couple of years time, you can then add another 6xxx series, as they are much better in CF than the 5xxx series.

The 6970 promises to be a great card, but until we're given more info we don't know if the game will work better on Nvidia cards. It would be good if you could wait for more information though.
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