Orcs on the March thread

[jake21]

So I'm currently doing mage impossible around level 13 and finding the game much harder than kb-ap. Can you describe your strategy at low level (I've not yet been to verona as I can't kit that group or kill them yet in bolo). Perhaps I am using the wrong troups (I have paladin, royal snake, 5 thorns, beholder and inquist (but I suspect the inquist are a waste)). Hum. Nothing left to kill on rusty, everything but group guarding verona map on bolo and stuff on rusty anchor is still too hard so i'm feeling stuck

Originally Posted by unicornxp

well, it's too hard for me to play the entire again and again

so i just play for fun~~

goblin shamans can make huge damage at round1 with warrior's skill
(onslaught and rage control,kill at least 15+red dragon and more in late game)

but after that, they cant do better then the little goblins who now get +1damage at LV2 Adrenaline,goblin Catapult have +2 fire damage at LV2 Adrenaline,all this making goblins the best DPS in APCW

it's still easy to beat creeps but hard to keep no loss with Low level troops~~unless i have enough resistant-items

[Kings Bounty Hunter]

Originally Posted by jake21

So I'm currently doing mage impossible around level 13 and finding the game much harder than kb-ap. Can you describe your strategy at low level (I've not yet been to verona as I can't kit that group or kill them yet in bolo). Perhaps I am using the wrong troups (I have paladin, royal snake, 5 thorns, beholder and inquist (but I suspect the inquist are a waste)). Hum. Nothing left to kill on rusty, everything but group guarding verona map on bolo and stuff on rusty anchor is still too hard so i'm feeling stuck

Why don't you get the green dragon from Rusty anchor and use it as a tank, that will help.

I got access to the first 4 quite early on by kiteing and even have the map for Tekron at lvl 17. Goblin sharmans destroy my army on Verona lol how the HELL! do you deal with there astral attack!

[ckdamascus]

Originally Posted by Kings Bounty Hunter

Why don't you get the green dragon from Rusty anchor and use it as a tank, that will help.

I got access to the first 4 quite early on by kiteing and even have the map for Tekron at lvl 17. Goblin sharmans destroy my army on Verona lol how the HELL! do you deal with there astral attack!

You need the crown of chaos and ghost armor, but even then you will probably get demolished.

A few key things you can do

- Disable them with magic shackles
- Do NOT feed any orc units with a summon/fodder/tank, since feeding ANY orc unit a kill will beef up EVERY enemy orc unit's adrenaline, which will increase their damage against you.
- If you do go with the "feed" / summon / fodder route because you have no choice, make sure you can counter attack hard, or continue to get them to keep hitting your fodder. They will target some key units, so try to use glot's armor, or phantom that unit, etc.

It's terribly risky though, so get ready for some massive resurrection.

I have put off some of those battles, even if I was +10 levels over the enemy hero, only because of their sheer firepower.

[Kings Bounty Hunter]

Originally Posted by ckdamascus

You need the crown of chaos and ghost armor, but even then you will probably get demolished.

A few key things you can do

- Disable them with magic shackles
- Do NOT feed any orc units with a summon/fodder/tank, since feeding ANY orc unit a kill will beef up EVERY enemy orc unit's adrenaline, which will increase their damage against you.
- If you do go with the "feed" / summon / fodder route because you have no choice, make sure you can counter attack hard, or continue to get them to keep hitting your fodder. They will target some key units, so try to use glot's armor, or phantom that unit, etc.

It's terribly risky though, so get ready for some massive resurrection.

I have put off some of those battles, even if I was +10 levels over the enemy hero, only because of their sheer firepower.

Wouldn't be a problem with Black Dragons, going to need some creative thinking here

[jake21]

I never think about sneaking past zig zag; always think about killing him and he's too hard. Anyways I manged to get to verona but it was a total bust; nothing good loaded there - well one small stack of royal griffons but leadership is too low to do much with them. What a bummer.

[ckdamascus]

Originally Posted by Kings Bounty Hunter

Wouldn't be a problem with Black Dragons, going to need some creative thinking here

Black Dragons are exceptionally vulnerable to this. They have zero resistance to astral and you have no way of buffing them or healing them easily.

Perhaps you are thinking about magical damage, in which case, a black dragon is great against that.

Not that healing would help anyway, since they usually end up killing 1-3 black dragons per astral attack.

Something is terribly wrong when a stupid goblin shaman stack destroys my entire 10 black dragon stack in a single turn.

[atlatea]

Weird things happens to me, in all my games, crown of chaos and ghost armor always spawn especially when using paladin class.

Back to topic.
I guess it's ok using Black Dragon againts blood shaman or goblin shaman, but you need warrior's caution 3 or paladin's runic armor 3 plus crown of chaos and ghost armor. Better if you have all of that. And you have rune mage to resurrect black dragons, which is available from the start.

I don't know if mass shackle works againts them, last time i check, even when they're mass shackled they can cast that 3 hit astral attack. Maybe those shamans are buggy.

From my experience, all class have their own way to go againts those shamans, either in early game or late game. Though it's better to avoid them in early game.

But if you can have several green dragons, i mean have enough of them to rechage your mana then you can defeat those shamans in early game especially as a mage or paladin, just cast invisibility on your green dragon, then you're free to do anything to those shamans, i mean thin them using any means you deems best, example are poison skull or fire bolt, you also have your pet dragon. Then when your invisibility almost over, use your green dragon to recharge your mana then cast invisibility again, repeat that process.

Anyway, to do that you need the blue dragon pet and paladin adrenaline skill or battle cry spell (i prefer adrenaline), and lots of mana (minimum is 35 or 40 mana).

[ckdamascus]

Originally Posted by atlatea

Weird things happens to me, in all my games, crown of chaos and ghost armor always spawn especially when using paladin class.

Back to topic.
I guess it's ok using Black Dragon againts blood shaman or goblin shaman, but you need warrior's caution 3 or paladin's runic armor 3 plus crown of chaos and ghost armor. Better if you have all of that. And you have rune mage to resurrect black dragons, which is available from the start.

I don't know if mass shackle works againts them, last time i check, even when they're mass shackled they can cast that 3 hit astral attack. Maybe those shamans are buggy.

From my experience, all class have their own way to go againts those shamans, either in early game or late game. Though it's better to avoid them in early game.

But if you can have several green dragons, i mean have enough of them to rechage your mana then you can defeat those shamans in early game especially as a mage or paladin, just cast invisibility on your green dragon, then you're free to do anything to those shamans, i mean thin them using any means you deems best, example are poison skull or fire bolt, you also have your pet dragon. Then when your invisibility almost over, use your green dragon to recharge your mana then cast invisibility again, repeat that process.

Anyway, to do that you need the blue dragon pet and paladin adrenaline skill or battle cry spell (i prefer adrenaline), and lots of mana (minimum is 35 or 40 mana).

Sort of sad that you need all of that with the paladin just to block such an overpowered attack.

As a mage, I didn't have caution and holy armor, so my entire stack still died with crown of chaos and ghost armor.

That said, magic shackles does work, but you need enough leadership. You can test it by casting magic shackles level 2 and mouse over every unit. If that fails, magic shackles level 3 won't work on it either (fairly certain magic shackles level 3 is just mass magic shackles level 2).

[atlatea]

Yeah, i think orc/goblin got the most overpowered unit now, especially the goblin, too bad i'm not a fan of orc and goblin.

It's not just paladin, all 3 classes need those i mentioned above if u want to survive astal attack using black dragon. Ok, i typed wrong, by runic armor above i mean holy armor (paladin class specific skill), and this holy armor doesn't always trigger. But caution 3 + ghost armor + crown of chaos are usually enough, and btw, my mage have caution 3.

Well, if you're lucky, i mean your holy armor also trigger, it can further mitigate their astral attack dmg to the point that it become a joke (too low dmg), last time i remember 3 astral atk from goblin shaman which almost kill 3 BDs instantly become a 200 dmg astral atk.

I need to revisit about the shackles. Well, it's great if it can work againts those overpowered unit, though i bet the leadership in impossible must be considered.

[Kings Bounty Hunter]

I was wrong, I was thinking of Magic damage. There's some massive stacks of shamans and shaman goblins in Verona (all level 3 adrenalin round 1)

At the moment i'm not sure what i'm gonna do with those fights, I don't have resurrect yet.