Would you pre-purchase SOW now to be a part of the Beta team?

[nearmiss]

Originally Posted by Feuerfalke

Well, besides the different pros and cons of an open beta, there are indeed some social factors to consider. And I have to agree with you, that this community does not distinguishing itself as a mature or social group - even beyond the yellow forum-site borders.
I didn't think it would get worse than calling a forum UBIZoo, but if that's a zoo, this is Yellowrassic Parc - much louder, much bigger mouths, but mostly without teeth or enough brains to peel a banana.

Here we do have updates on a regular basis and developers have good discussion with forum members.

All the other air sim forums, link into our update threads weekly. This forums is the information source for everything about BOB SOW and TD upgrades.

This is Yellowrassic park?

Forums are designed to facilitate discussions, nothing more.

[Feuerfalke]

Originally Posted by nearmiss

Here we do have updates on a regular basis and developers have good discussion with forum members.

All the other air sim forums, link into our update threads weekly. This forums is the information source for everything about BOB SOW and TD upgrades.

This is Yellowrassic park?

Forums are designed to facilitate discussions, nothing more.

I'm sorry. My interpretation of "discussion" of facts and related knowledge exchange does not cover what is going on here.

Besides that, the first two points are not related to your final statement.

That this is the only source of information and other sites HAVE to link here, is due to the fact that Maddox Games has a close relationship with 1C, not because Oleg likes the forum color or what is going on here.


The fact that Oleg keeps posting here despite the things going on is not something this community can be proud on. It's Oleg who deserves the respect to come here again and again, knowing he gets his screenshots of his beloved sim rubbed in his face in a weekly interval.

[nearmiss]

Originally Posted by Feuerfalke

I'm sorry. My interpretation of "discussion" of facts and related knowledge exchange does not cover what is going on here.

Besides that, the first two points are not related to your final statement.

That this is the only source of information and other sites HAVE to link here, is due to the fact that Maddox Games has a close relationship with 1C, not because Oleg likes the forum color or what is going on here.


The fact that Oleg keeps posting here despite the things going on is not something this community can be proud on. It's Oleg who deserves the respect to come here again and again, knowing he gets his screenshots of his beloved sim rubbed in his face in a weekly interval.

Your contribution to the forums is what you make of it, in discussion with other members.

Who cares what color the site? Mellow yellow, or ruby red... the words are the words.

This is a very viable forums for discussions about BOB SOW and TD upgrades. Regardless, of your perceived reasons for that... it still is what it is.

I'm sure there is a more perfect way to do things. No sense going there, because this forums is what it is for now.

[philip.ed]

Originally Posted by nearmiss

Your contribution to the forums is what you make of it, in discussion with other members.

Who cares what color the site? Mellow yellow, or ruby red... the words are the words.

This is a very viable forums for discussions about BOB SOW and TD upgrades. Regardless, of your perceived reasons for that... it still is what it is.

I'm sure there is a more perfect way to do things. No sense going there, because this forums is what it is for now.

+1

[JG52Krupi]

Originally Posted by nearmiss

Here we do have updates on a regular basis and developers have good discussion with forum members.

All the other air sim forums, link into our update threads weekly. This forums is the information source for everything about BOB SOW and TD upgrades.

This is Yellowrassic park?

Forums are designed to facilitate discussions, nothing more.

He was talking about us i.e. The whinning not Oleg and his team...

[dduff442]

Open beta releases could have suicide procedures built in -- self-termination after a certain date, after a certain number of hours or frames etc. etc. Considering that codebreakers like nothing more than a challenge, the encryption in IL2 stood up pretty well and securing a beta is a much easier job. Plus it could be radically stripped down, omitting much of the actual content.

It's a good idea if you ask me, though whether it's worth the hassle is anybody's guess -- testers would need to work on reproducing problems reliably and make sure they're not logging duplicate bugs etc.

Team Daidalos has demonstrated that community involvement needn't compromise either quality or 1C's commercial interests.

dduff

[philip.ed]

Feuerfalke; comments degrading the forum don't help do they? Posts that compare this place to the ubizoo only serve to belittle the forum and make you just as bad as the 'whiners'. Just rise above it, isolate the individuals who do whine, and they'll realise where they are wrong and hopefully stop.
There is only arguments like these around when a) people make posts like yours and b) there are weekly updates. I have found all the other discussion on here to be very mature.

[The Kraken]

Originally Posted by philip.ed

Feuerfalke; comments degrading the forum don't help do they?

It's not degrading, it's "constructive criticism". After all, if we'd all say that every post is great and perfect, how would that help posters to improve their contributions here?

[Qpassa]

Originally Posted by The Kraken

It's not degrading, it's "constructive criticism". After all, if we'd all say that every post is great and perfect, how would that help posters to improve their contributions here?

agree

[Blackdog_kt]

Originally Posted by The Kraken

It's not degrading, it's "constructive criticism". After all, if we'd all say that every post is great and perfect, how would that help posters to improve their contributions here?

Good one, i LOL'ed


On the matter of open beta, i've only participated in one recently. It's a totally different game genre from a totally different type of company( Startcrfaft 2, a real time strategy game by Blizzard), but some comparisons can be made.

I think that all of the poll's options are correct to a certain extent and that's why i didn't vote. The way i see it, an open beta tied to pre-purchase of the release version is a very good idea that will generate funds and help hunt for bugs IF there's a dedicated team to moderate the beta process and safety mechanisms exist to prevent leaking of the code.

The Stracraft 2 open beta was strictly multiplayer on a handful of maps, with the aim of testing the balance between different units in the game and hunting for the occasional bug.

Since SoW is a flight sim we don't adjust things based on balance but based on historical documentation.
If we had a strictly multiplayer beta on 3-5 custom made, fictional dogfight maps for SoW it could work. The beta version would be highly incomplete, the only things it would be useful for would be:

1) getting a feel for the system requirements and how it scales on a variety of systems
2) possible bugs
3) gathering specific feedback from the knowledgeable people in the community about how stuff works and wether it's close enough to how the real thing works

Serious testing and feature change requests would be reserved for the internal team, but having the benefit of a wide range of people who work as pilots, mechanics, etc commenting on how close it is to real life would be the advantage of the open beta. It's also a source of indirect and in many cases viral marketing.

During the SC2 beta people were allowed to post replays and commentaries of their multiplayer matches on youtube, going so far as to have post-match analysis sessions just like in real-life sports. This built much more sales than the official marketing campaign, because a few thousand players are more likely to find and present every nook and cranny of the gameplay experience than a small team of advertising executives on the publisher's payroll who'll only show a few pretty cinematics and some screenshots on maxed detail settings, with no context as to what they mean or how fluidly they run and on what system. Watching someone comment on the game on youtube however, you can see both why it's fun to play and how it runs on the commentator's system and you can extrapolate from there.

Of course, SoW doesn't have the potential market base that SC2 had. Nevertheless, the same thing can happen on a smaller scale to attract either newcomers or simmers from other genres.
Imagine videos of complex engine start-ups and systems management being posted on youtube, then circulating in the avsim forums where all the FSX pilots lounge...that's an easy few thousand sales extra right there

But then again, in order for this to work there should be a strict moderating team that will keep in line all the people who participate in the beta, by walking the thin line between a relaxed NDA (eg, permission to post videos and such) and complete chaos due to what you guys called the "whiner's club" before.

I'de be all for it as long as people could lose their beta privileges if they were being disruptive jerks (after all, they wouldn't be paying for the beta but pre-ordering the game and getting the beta as a gift).

In fact, it's one of the handful of cases that i think an online authentication model would work well. I hate this model for release versions of games (i have neither RoF nor DCS because of their copy protection choice), but a beta is not a release version:

1) a beta is free, so even if it's down there's no grounds to complain (as opposed to buying a game and being unable to authenticate online, which sucks)
2) by issuing renewable weekly "tickets"/product keys by email and having the beta client expire and require an updated key to renew every week, you can easily cut down on the amount of disruptive players by cutting them off from the automatic key generator mailing list and banning them from the beta subforum