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Old 10-01-2010, 06:28 PM
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To be fair, Tree might post things that some people disagree with, but he never makes personal attacks on forum members here, which i thought was a banning offence?...though it seems people can post stuff like this...

"you'r a a whiny little bitch Tree, and also a coward"

...and the mods do nothing?

Anyway...back to the topic...

Myself...i agree with Tree...the landscape when compaired to the fantastic and beautifuly made aircraft and ground models, the landscape looks below par and so far to me, and nothing like England.

I made a post on Sim hq here...
http://simhq.com/forum/ubbthreads.ph...3100294/2.html



Im hoping as Oleg has said that this will improve, im sure it will.

But as i see it right now the landscape is the weak link(visually anyway).

As others have said when we see DX11 high res videos with AA and AF we can make a better judgment on how the final landscape will look.

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Old 10-01-2010, 06:37 PM
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To be fair, Tree might post things that some people disagree with, but he never makes personal attacks on forum members here, which i thought was a banning offence?...though it seems people can post stuff like this...

"you'r a a whiny little bitch Tree, and also a coward"

...and the mods do nothing?

Anyway...back to the topic...

Myself...i agree with Tree...the landscape when compaired to the fantastic and beautifuly made aircraft and ground models, the landscape looks below par and so far to me, and nothing like England.

I made a post on Sim hq here...
http://simhq.com/forum/ubbthreads.ph...3100294/2.html



Im hoping as Oleg has said that this will improve, im sure it will.

But as i see it right now the landscape is the weak link(visually anyway).

As others have said when we see DX11 high res videos with AA and AF we can make a better judgment on how the final landscape will look.
+1 eloquently put.
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Old 10-01-2010, 06:38 PM
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, the landscape looks below par and so far to me, and nothing like England..
and anybody that makes a civilized statement or constructive observation should be treated accordingly by other forum participants, but are you really now going to try and pretend that this is the way tree communicates here ?

even in this thread, just scroll back and see exactly what he DOES post, and he does it very deliberately.
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Old 10-01-2010, 06:43 PM
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Zap, no matter how sarcastic his posts are, they aren't really that bad. I mean, a personal attack was a bit over the top in this case. Just ignore those types of posts. If you don't agree with them, then causing an argument won't lead to anywhere as neither of you will concede.
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Old 10-01-2010, 07:05 PM
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Some are so much worried about graphics, clouds, terrains etc. *$#@*&%!@#$ the graphics.

My expectatives are more on SoW engine, damage models, flight models, aircraft management and the simulation features.

Graphics could be changed after in some patches or 3rd party. By the way, i am very happy about the graphics i have seen until now.

I am more curious about the aircrafts managements, but as seen i ll have to wait.
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Old 10-01-2010, 07:14 PM
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Look.. It's not finished.

My thoughts on those who simply criticise.

I think it's rude and unfair to criticise. You don't own this game, you haven't paid any money for this game and yet you go on and on and on about silly cosmetic things without a single thought to the fact that the cosmetics come last in the list of things to do. The devs don't need someone telling them the terrain looks like it was painted by a child. Cheeky bastards.


It's a privelage to see these WIP shots, like oleg says.. he could just as easily create a big flashy movie that bears no relation to the final product. He hasn't, and for that I thank him.
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Old 10-01-2010, 07:27 PM
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According to Oleg it is finished other than the bugs.
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Old 10-01-2010, 07:30 PM
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The quality of light in the video is impressive, but I would really like to see some terrain pics with colors looking like those of England.
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Old 10-01-2010, 07:39 PM
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Personally, I think that one of the main reasons why they're posted is for Oleg to read constructive criticism. This way he can gauge the opinions of some people and look into the aspects which come under question. Forum members who develop games have come on here an said exactly the same thing. It's great for the team to hear our honest opinions, as we are the market.
If everyone lied about their feelings, the sim wouldn't be as good as it is now (as many of the changed features may not have been looked into)
If Oleg didn't want the help, he wouldn't use it. Simple as that.
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Old 10-01-2010, 09:43 PM
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Personally, I think that one of the main reasons why they're posted is for Oleg to read constructive criticism. This way he can gauge the opinions of some people and look into the aspects which come under question. Forum members who develop games have come on here an said exactly the same thing. It's great for the team to hear our honest opinions, as we are the market.
If everyone lied about their feelings, the sim wouldn't be as good as it is now (as many of the changed features may not have been looked into)
If Oleg didn't want the help, he wouldn't use it. Simple as that.
Exactly.

I work on software, not games, but it's the same story.
When we review customer feedback we probably spend 5% of the time on the "good" feedback (yeah, we know that's cool or at least working) and 95% on the NEGATIVE one.
Heck, we probably spend more time *getting* into the meeting room, taking seats and setting up the projector than on the positive things!

Personally I don't care about how harsh the feedback is:
I'm a professional, I'm paid to do my job so I sit down, set aside feelings and try to filter and elaborate on the good input, that is, anything that I can use when I get back to my desk to improve stuff.
Sure, there are times when you read a sentence and all you can say is "this guy's an idiot, he didn't even understand the feature!" but it still leaves you with something to think about...

What's different on a forum compared to "static" customer feedback is interactivity.
People answering back to others that made negative/bad/harsh comments are just polluting the good info, that is, again, stuff that *might* make the product better.
In this thread there are already more than 200 posts and probably only 20 or so that contain anything the team working on SoW can find useful!

One last thing and then I'll finish with this whining.
Stop talking like you were in Oleg's brain!
"I'm sure they will do it" / "It's certain they will change it"
No, you can't be sure or certain about anything and, once again you pollute the forum with nothingness.
There can be one godzillion (which is a godzilla followed by a lots of zeroes) reasons why that specific thing you are sure about in a piece of software cannot be changed with reasonable effort.

That's all, good night!
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