Defender of the Crown thread

[loreangelicus]

Originally Posted by axelle

when did you get your first troll?

After the 1st demon battle; I have screenshots of my first 9 battles posted on this page and the previous page. This is actually my gripe with this campaign, having level 5 units available after the first serious battle (not counting the medals battle). I had 2 trolls and 1 red dragon available, making succeeding battles in the 1st island very easy.

Below was my unit composition for the battles:

medals battle: 1 paladin
1st demon battle: 3 paladins (this battle unlocked 2 trolls and 1 red dragon)
2nd demon battle: 1 troll
3rd demon battle: 1 troll
1st suppresion battle: 2 trolls
1st undead battle: 2 trolls
2nd undead battle: 2 trolls (this battle unlocked 17 trolls and 13 black dragons)
2nd suppresion battle: 6 trolls
3rd suppresion battle: 7 trolls, 3 black dragons
4th suppresion battle: 8 trolls, 3 black dragons
5th suppresion battle: 9 trolls, 4 black dragons
6th suppresion battle: 9 trolls, 4 black dragons
3rd undead battle: 10 trolls, 4 black dragons

The black dragons made the suppression battles quite easy, and each suppression battle done just made your army all the more stronger: more XP/gold/leadership/hero skills/pet dragon skills. The snowball effect of the suppression battles was only compounded by the fact that I believe they fixed the XP and gold reward system for said battles; a tough suppression battle now gives a commensurate reward (which wasn't the case in KBTL and KBAP), in my case getting as high as 10,847 XP and 55,500 gold (this with applicable paladin skills and item bonuses though).

Like I said before, they could have made this campaign harder by making level 5 units available only in the 2nd island, or maybe even not making them available at all for this short campaign, but everyone would just go dwarves for the droids (though suppression battles with smallish stacks of droids would be a nightmare ).

[axelle]

in order to reach a high level close to 30:

1, lots of upgradable items for extra experience/gold/scroll. droids are fine, but not good if you do suppression fights, because they are vulnerable to magic.

2, get an ancient knowledge scroll early on. preferably out of the chest you dig out during the 20,000 gold medal fight (first fight)

3, abuse troll's regenerate, it works great, although this isn't really necessary. a resurrection scroll with a balanced team of level 4 units would also do the job, but it would require a lot more time and effort.

[DGDobrev]

A mighty fun campaign. In my opinion, it's more like a learning by doing tutorial, which forces you to carefully evaluate your units, carefully analyze and pick your troop setup, and so on.

You can easily fool around to get a higher level, for all I see. Lore found it out, and good work. However, it does take a lot of fooling around and a lot of digging. There are plenty of upgradeable items though... With level 3 learning and hand of necropolis (it spawns) you can get to a higher level, but it's all the same. This is the next campaign where level 5 units own everything when properly utilized

[loreangelicus]

Originally Posted by axelle

in order to reach a high level close to 30:

1, lots of upgradable items for extra experience/gold/scroll. droids are fine, but not good if you do suppression fights, because they are vulnerable to magic.

2, get an ancient knowledge scroll early on. preferably out of the chest you dig out during the 20,000 gold medal fight (first fight)

3, abuse troll's regenerate, it works great, although this isn't really necessary. a resurrection scroll with a balanced team of level 4 units would also do the job, but it would require a lot more time and effort.

Yup! All of the above, and most importantly, take the Paladin class for a fast-tracked Learning 3 and more powerful +XP medal (sorry Warrior and Mage, no high score for you).

Originally Posted by DGDobrev

A mighty fun campaign. In my opinion, it's more like a learning by doing tutorial, which forces you to carefully evaluate your units, carefully analyze and pick your troop setup, and so on.

You can easily fool around to get a higher level, for all I see. Lore found it out, and good work. However, it does take a lot of fooling around and a lot of digging. There are plenty of upgradeable items though... With level 3 learning and hand of necropolis (it spawns) you can get to a higher level, but it's all the same. This is the next campaign where level 5 units own everything when properly utilized

Hi DGD, nice to bump into you again in the forums. Nope, (thankfully) it didn't "take a lot of fooling around" as like I mentioned in an earlier post, the same shop that sold 2 Trolls after the 1st demon battle also sold 4 AKs (see screenshot); I already dug up 1AK, so I just bought "two extra".

I still think level 5 units should be "banned" from low level campaigns like this. Just my 2 cents, though I did enjoy how my Trolls and BDs stomped the living daylights out of everything that crossed their path. Imba!

[axelle]

a current game that I am in, impossible, mage, no ancient scroll or any experience artifact, no troll...I managed to do these suppression battles so far with the help of a resurrection scroll I found in one of the shops on the second island:

simple ->runic sword (1)
steel ->spiked boots (1)
novice's dress->dress of the mages(1)
traveler->druidic->staff of the high druid(2)
bronze->silver ring(1)
officer->colonel->general->marshal baton (3)

will do silver->gold ring next time, and then TRY to do silver shoes->perfect shoes.

so if i manage to do the last two, it's 11 suppression battles in total....

please find attached SS my hardest fight so far (general->marshal baton):

a whooping 5340 experience! no troll, so took 150 turns, most of which was used to resurrect my cannon fodders.

regarding class choice: early on paladin would rely too much on having a troll.

also, how does "Holy Armor" work? what does the term "number" mean?

also, question for lore, why do you use black dragon? you can't heal black dragon right? so there is nothing you can do if it gets attacked...and also, if you slap on a peacefulness and magic-spring on a red dragon, you have 9 more defense and 305 more health plus you can heal him!!!

[loreangelicus]

Originally Posted by axelle

also, how does "Holy Armor" work? what does the term "number" mean?

also, question for lore, why do you use black dragon? you can't heal black dragon right? so there is nothing you can do if it gets attacked...and also, if you slap on a peacefulness and magic-spring on a red dragon, you have 9 more defense and 305 more health plus you can heal him!!!

Sorry, I didn't take Holy Armor so I don't know how it works.

I took the black dragons because they have a base 80% magic resistance; add the diploma of anti-magic/magician's cowl and you have 95% MR, very good for taking out the red gremlin towers during suppression battles. I had leadership for 4 of them, and the key was to split them up into 4 stacks so even if one stack is near death the others could still fight on.

Good luck on your attempt! Do keep us posted on how it goes.

[axelle]

i am going to try to upgrade "perfect shoe", it's my 11th and last suppression battle before the final fight.

all-elf-team with max morale!

you will see that my black unicorns are quite OP if you look at the second picture.

btw lore, i wanted to ask, what items did you suppress?

[Shield]

Just finished this on "hard" with a mage - Score was 539. That last battle was pretty rough; my character was only a level 14. Stupid demon portals!

[loreangelicus]

Originally Posted by axelle

btw lore, i wanted to ask, what items did you suppress?

steel band --> steel belt
fine boots --> golden boots
ballroom dress --> dress of the princess
magician's cowl --> magician's cloak
magician's cloak --> magician's cape
snake ring --> snake ring of wisdom

The red gremlin towers couldn't throw magical attacks at the black dragons (unless it was a counterattack, wherein they did roughly 12-18 damage to the BDs while BDs do 250+ damage to them), so they either buffed their troops or cast Lightning on my Trolls (which not only were regenerating, but also had Peacefulness cast on them).

[axelle]

from the looks of it, items that require more than one upgrade are the best, not only you get more fights, but also the final upgrade(if doable) usually yields way more experience.

it also has to do with item-level, i remember trying to upgrade something and a stack of 27 arch devils jumped over and i was like "whaaaaaat?"

and the upgrading fight can be really really hard, the battle I am still trying to beat, the gremlin towers themselves have 14000 health...

now, who has the patience to save/scan for a new save, where

1, troll/resurrection scroll is available.

2, ancient knowledge scroll is available (repeatedly loading/digging for an ancient knowledge scroll is simply not practical).

3, 15+ish suppression fights. you need the baton(3)/2 weapons(4)/bronze ring(2)/and around 5 one-upgrade items.

4, extra experience% items like hand of necropolis.