Friday 2010-08-13 Dev. update and Discussions

[Novotny]

'The main types of trees are a lot rounder and denser foliage wise'

Look, at some point a concession must be made. No singular aspect of this software - or any other title, for that matter - is going to be perfect, regardless of the development time expended on the perfecting of any graphical representation therein concerning vegetation.

Simply put: Oleg could put SoW back another year and fully concentrate on developing your trees. Nevertheless, you would still be able to nitpick faults if you tried hard enough or felt inclined to do so. And to what end? Just how important are these trees to the big picture?

This obsession with finding faults and loudly proclaiming them is extremely tiresome and I've already proposed bans for unconstructive criticism.

'fly over blighty and the trees look nothing like what's been shown recently': you don't even understand that this is both very rude and completely unhelpful. If it were up to me I'd ban you.

You admit to nitpicking. A definition of which follows:

When used as a verb:
1. to be excessively concerned with or critical of inconsequential details, or
2. to criticize by focusing on inconsequential details.
When used as a noun, refers to:
3. a carping, petty criticism.

Why not just leave it?

[philip.ed]

Honestly, I thought the whole idea of discussion is to post your opinions? I have lived in England all my life, and this aspect is so easy to get right that I wonder why it couldn't be? early shots from last year show trees looking like how I describe, which shows that it is possible. Rise of Flight did it, so I am sure that SoW can too. I am not saying that there is anything wrong with what has been shown recently, these trees can easily be found in England, but then again from an aerial viewpoint the perspectives look different here. It's hard to explain. I'm not some tree nut But it's just something I noticed from flying over the country that I thought made a world of difference to how the terrain looks

[Meusli]

Originally Posted by philip.ed

Honestly, I thought the whole idea of discussion is to post your opinions? I have lived in England all my life, and this aspect is so easy to get right that I wonder why it couldn't be? early shots from last year show trees looking like how I describe, which shows that it is possible. Rise of Flight did it, so I am sure that SoW can too. I am not saying that there is anything wrong with what has been shown recently, these trees can easily be found in England, but then again from an aerial viewpoint the perspectives look different here. It's hard to explain. I'm not some tree nut But it's just something I noticed from flying over the country that I thought made a world of difference to how the terrain looks

The trees we have now are more varied as they come from Speetree, the old tree types that were made by Oleg and his team only show a couple of different types. The variety of tree types makes it more important to use Speedtree trees than the ones that Oleg could build, which would take away resources from other things. Also as a naturally grown phenomenon all trees are different and come in various shapes and sizes and to say that one type of tree is wrong and your type is correct is being a bit disingenuous.
I live in England also and I have no problems with the trees for this flight Sim, but if you want perfection of graphics then I suggest you buy yourself a spitfire and fly around in the real world pretending your there.

[nearmiss]

Originally Posted by Meusli

I live in England also and I have no problems with the trees for this flight Sim, but if you want perfection of graphics then I suggest you buy yourself a spitfire and fly around in the real world pretending your there.

That could work

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TK6uNQoBAGY

oh yeah....

[philip.ed]

Meusi, I agree with what you say. By no means do these trees not look like any in this country, but when I was in Egypt and flying over, the trees looked a lot like these do from above. Using this software which you mention gives hope to the fact that multiple tree types can appear which'd be great

[Richie]

Or maybe you like 109s..sorry had to.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_a_TETqe1Cg

[NLS61]

Originally Posted by Richie

Or maybe you like 109s..sorry had to.

I tought Swastika's where forbidden and her is one on a real 109 ???
I'm not asking for them in the game, or want to start that discussion again.
Yust wondering.

[themink]

Originally Posted by Richie

Or maybe you like 109s..sorry had to.

<IRONY>Why is this still using placeholder clouds, and while we are here, the trees are still unconvincing.

This is clearly a low res SOW video, I will retain comment until we can see a high res version with real sound (This appears to be from the origional IL2) </IRONY>

On a slightly more serious note, I noticed the exhaust line in this video, it has never ocured to me that we have been missing it all this time. In the screenie of the Hurricane underflying, there appeared to be fuel leaking, but was it actually exhaust? Hmm we shall have to see.

If it is not in, it will not affect me at all. I will be flying this as a game/sim with friends and it will blow our socks off when it arrives.

[major_setback]

Originally Posted by Meusli

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I live in England also and I have no problems with the trees for this flight Sim, but if you want perfection of graphics then I suggest you buy yourself a spitfire and fly around in the real world pretending your there.

Yes, but it's really not going to work is it ? Sooner or later you will realize the futility of the pretence: with no AI, the wrong era, a low risk of being attacked. Really there is no substitute for a real sim.
Much better to pretend that the pretend trees are real, that the luminous fluffy clouds are genuine, and to accept that the sim may have a few reservations regarding the flight model and visuals. Otherwise you are stuck in reality: a reality where you command full control of your situation but where there is no escape; and escape is the name of the game...and after all it is mostly that - just a game.

Mostly.