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[Flyby]

Originally Posted by WTE_Galway

Biased sample

The majority of Il2 players play offline and never come to forums.

There is an over-representation of online players on online forums because online players tend to usually be online more often than offline players

How can you say that? I don't understand. How does it follow that offline (IL2) players don't visit online forums as much as online (IL2) players do. Just because a player does not fly online in no way implies that he or she does not get online to visit and/or participate in forums like these any less so. Well, that's my opinion (so I suppose I should grant that you have your opinion too).
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[zauii]

Originally Posted by Flyby

How can you say that? I don't understand. How does it follow that offline (IL2) players don't visit online forums as much as online (IL2) players do. Just because a player does not fly online in no way implies that he or she does not get online to visit and/or participate in forums like these any less so. Well, that's my opinion (so I suppose I should grant that you have your opinion too).
Flyby out

Well, looking at the facts it's more obvious that offline players represents the majority of the install base within almost all games, especially realistic once.
That is about to change more and more though and have changed a lot within casual gaming the last 5 years.. anyway..

A player is more likely to participate in discussions and the community if he/she is a regular online player, fan of the game and a regular internet user.
Many folks who play don't really go online, they might not even have the knowledge/care? that these kinda communities and boards exists or wouldn't take their time to bother.

Many here maybe prefer Single Player and/or are offline players, but at least you're above the average joe who might have never even touched MP.
They are casual hardcore gamers if that makes any sense lol... i know plenty of folks who play and prefer simulators but don't hang around boards or such.
They buy the games and play em... simple as that.

(I am looking at the big picture here and it works the same with any community really)

Even looking at Call of Duty, Battlefield which has huge online communities, it's nothing compared to all the "uber" mainstream guys that just buys it of the shelves.
It's those guys who are responsible for the majority of the sales. I believe that maybe within another 10 years, technology, games and the internet will be a lot more accepted
thus, even getting the none gamers to realize things.

[WTE_Galway]

Originally Posted by Flyby

How can you say that? I don't understand. How does it follow that offline (IL2) players don't visit online forums as much as online (IL2) players do. Just because a player does not fly online in no way implies that he or she does not get online to visit and/or participate in forums like these any less so. Well, that's my opinion (so I suppose I should grant that you have your opinion too).
Flyby out

I simply base it on the number of offline players I have known over the years (especially older ones) that simply are not online at all, not even connected to the internet, or rarely go online.

I personally have no internet at all at home and only use the net when stuck with nothing to do at work to fill in time. (yeah i have one of those jobs)

[Novotny]

Originally Posted by WTE_Galway

I simply base it on the number of offline players I have known over the years (especially older ones) that simply are not online at all, not even connected to the internet, or rarely go online.

I personally have no internet at all at home and only use the net when stuck with nothing to do at work to fill in time. (yeah i have one of those jobs)

Well, if I may say so, that's quite unusual these days. I'd be really stuck to think of anyone I know who doesn't check their mail, news etc online at least once or twice a day; apart from two older fellows who never really got into it, they being 66 and 92 years of age.

In many European states, such as Finland or Estonia, it's considered a basic human right to have an internet connection. It's certainly something the UN is pushing.

I grew up before we had internets and now simply can't imagine having to do without it.

Perhaps I'll also mention that I now get very little pleasure from beating AI routines but I still do play offline, in much the same way that I used to play a chess computer if I couldn't find a human opponent. Never once did I ever turn down a human opponent to play the chess machine. And nowadays, I would never choose to play the computer at anything I could instead play a human at.

I still really enjoy IL-2 offline, and many other games too. But the thrill for me, in any sort of game/competition, is in outwitting the human opponent (hopefully).

[Flyby]

May I remind some of you that this is a poll directed to people who come to this site? I wanted to see and share what their gaming preferences would be regarding SoW_BoB. Even some who do not have internet access at home come to this site. It's fine by me if they only play offline (if it's fine with them), but some of them come here all the same. It is not relevant to this poll to know or guess at the true number of those who do not come here, or even get online. It's a non-sequitur.
So if you took the time to visit this poll, I hope you made your preferences known, and I thank you for sharing. How about someone throwing up a poll to see who will fly Sow_BoB for the virtual Queen and who will fly for the virtual little corporal?
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[zakkandrachoff]

vote for offline custom missions!
campain? will be 500 planes in the air! my machine will give me one image per minute. small missions

[ECV56_Lancelot]

263 votes. Hardly a representation of the IL-2 and ww2 flight sims market (including casual gamers). Otherwise, this market is way more smaller that i had thought!

[Flyby]

Originally Posted by ECV56_Lancelot

263 votes. Hardly a representation of the IL-2 and ww2 flight sims market (including casual gamers). Otherwise, this market is way more smaller that i had thought!

Hardly a representation of the size of the market, I agree (though that was not the intent). I can only say that flying "full real" seems to be more preferable for both online and offline action. No way one can predict sales, size or general acceptance of the sim itself based on this poll.
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[AndyJWest]

M4T currently (4.30 AM BST, 3rd August 2010) has 26254 members registered. How many of those ever fly online?