Daidalos Team's Room -QUESTIONS AND REQUESTS ONLY on IL2 Authorized Addons

[AndyJWest]

I think Grumman may have inadvertently done a great service to the historical understanding of WWII. By discouraging concentration on the easiest market - US 'planes that won the war', and instead forcing 1C:Maddox and later TD to look at a broader range of aircraft, they have effectively counteracted the 'Tom Hanks' factor that reduces the entire period to a simplistic morality tale. Of course 1C:Maddox were trying to run counter to this from the start, but the threat of legal action if they followed the Hollywood line helped keep them on their course.

A sim with no Grumman aircraft in it its a darned sight more realistic than one where only Grumman aircraft win.

[Erkki]

Originally Posted by AndyJWest

I think Grumman may have inadvertently done a great service to the historical understanding of WWII. By discouraging concentration on the easiest market - US 'planes that won the war', and instead forcing 1C:Maddox and later TD to look at a broader range of aircraft, they have effectively counteracted the 'Tom Hanks' factor that reduces the entire period to a simplistic morality tale. Of course 1C:Maddox were trying to run counter to this from the start, but the threat of legal action if they followed the Hollywood line helped keep them on their course.

A sim with no Grumman aircraft in it its a darned sight more realistic than one where only Grumman aircraft win.

+1

In a few other unnamed, old but still surprisingly popular, sims, the Grumman, North American and Republic aircraft can do pretty much anything they want. In one game the P-51 easily outturns the Zeke, and ripping wings off 190s takes about 5 hits. They market that game as the most realistic and the very most historically accurate PC flight simulation ever, still, with a monthly fee, and it sells.

[nearmiss]

Galway

You do have a point about all the 3rd party aircraft. I remember a corsair I enjoyed that was starwars. The darn thing could shoot down enemies at 3,000 meters, fly at 600 knots and all you had to do was half-way target the enemy for kills.

Oleg, did turn up the whole air combat situation a notch with quality standards for online play.

I remember the MSFT Zone as a wild west anything goes online action. All influenced by no quality standards for online play. I gave up on the Zone faster than drinking my first spoonful of Cod liver oil.

Still, I think there are ways to do things... and there are ways to get things done. Certifiable aircraft for online play could probably be handled by some 3rd party group similar to a TD that doesn't actually furnish aircraft, These groups would have a look at your 3rd party aircraft and suggest compliance changes for meeting online compliance standards.

These groups could be advisory to sites like hyperlobby before admitting specific aircraft to participate on their servers.

I'm saying... there are workarounds, but legitimate companies will have to satisfy their own thinking about risk vs. reward to determine just how far they will go.

[Roblex]

Here is a request that does not involve new planes.....

Is there any way to add a new 'Difficulty' option that allows External views Only while on the ground?

It may seem an odd request but while I am happy playing 'Full Real' I often find myself joining an unfamiliar map and having no idea where my spawn point is in relation to the runway (or runways) From the cockpit it is impossible to see where I should be going and more than once I have taxied to the wrong end and found myself taking off in the wrong direction and meeting someone coming the other way. On one recent occasion I could not find the runway at all so just took off where I was and discovered I had just taken off across a grass field. On another recent occassion I decided it must be a grass strip and tried to take off and just ripped off my undercarriage because I should have used the levelled grass runway I had failed to find

I don't think anyone would get any unfair advantage from external view while on the ground and in real-life no pilot would be taxiing out while unaware of the airfield layout.

If you are worried about people taxiing while in external view because they are not skilled enough to do it from the cockpit then restrict the external view to only work when the speed is zero.

[R0NNC0]

Originally Posted by AndyJWest

I think Grumman may have inadvertently done a great service to the historical understanding of WWII. By discouraging concentration on the easiest market - US 'planes that won the war', and instead forcing 1C:Maddox and later TD to look at a broader range of aircraft, they have effectively counteracted the 'Tom Hanks' factor that reduces the entire period to a simplistic morality tale. Of course 1C:Maddox were trying to run counter to this from the start, but the threat of legal action if they followed the Hollywood line helped keep them on their course.

Maybe in the future, but not in IL2. The Grumman planes were already in the sim when 1C:MG shot themselves in the foot with bad legal advice.

[csThor]

It was more a question of timing. I don't think anyone involved thought that the extent of Grumman's claims is justified, but AFAIK they got in touch with Ubi shortly before release of PF so they caught everyone on the wrong foot. Checking Grumman's claims would have cost time, time that Ubisoft either didn't want to spend or didn't have (for it would cost a lot of money to hold the release machinery). Had that happened months earlier then I'd bet that a judge would have told Grumman where to shove its claim (keyword: dark and smelly place, no sun).

[ElAurens]

Well, I do hope the entire Grumman affair can be turned around.

Why?

After B0B. the next theater will be the Med. You cannot have Med Ops without the Grumman F4F Wildcat/Martlett for Operation Torch, and it's use by the Royal Navy in general.

Any aircraft from any country that is kept from us because of these petty legal concerns is a loss to all of us.

No single country won the war on it's own, and no country could have won without the help of all the others involved.

[Xilon_x]

the story is not 'ignorance of history need not repeat the same mistakes.
But strangely human mistakes are repeated forever and ever in history.
should review and understand the causes and reasons for injustice and motivation strategies that lead the human race to make history war. studying the history and 'an experience the history and' the meaning of what we today.I Young people are obliged to know the story because 'history and you learn new ideas for the future.

[bf-110]

Originally Posted by csThor

(keyword: dark and smelly place, no sun).

Damn,not in my classroom...
To the hell with Grumman,what about other planes,like italian,french,polish and english?

[Xilon_x]

This is RARE the last photo ww2 of Piaggio p 108 and Pilot BRUNO MUSSOLINI the son of BENITO MUSSOLLINI dead during landing in Pisa yes the piaggio P.108 operating especialy in GIBILTEIR and after go to ENGLAND for battle of brittain but the incident of BENITO MUSSOLINI'S SUN BRUNO abborted the piaggio p108 heavy bombers mission in ENGLAND.


please loock this is original photo and rare of ww2:
http://www.gavs.it/FotodelNonno/Phot...8_polidori.htm