How to find best Infantry weapons

[Crni vuk]

No doubts about that. But one should not forget that the German Army adopted at some point in the 50s the G3 rifle for its newly formed army the Bundeswehr (based of the Cetme Rifle design, created with help of German engineers in Spain). The Evolution didnt simply stoped after the war and designs got further changed and improved which eventualy lead to prototypes like the Stgw45 which was the base for the Cetme rifle and thus the G3 after the war was over many engineers moved to new companies or worked for other nations in licence so different nations improved certain designs and characteristics or used it as base for new weapons like th M60 for example which includes certain aspects of several captured German small arms like the FG42, MG42 etc. The G3 and similar weapons (FN Fal, Israelian Galil etc.) can be seen as so called battle rifles with automatic fire then assault rifles which usualy have lower range and cartridges. And only after Eugen Stoners development of lighter weapons chambered for the 5.56x45mm (well more the development of his assistants but nontheless) the idea of assault rifles in the traditional sense got adopted again with the M15 and 16 family for example. I think the choice of the 5.56 was not a good one for the future. But it probably was bette compared to the rather big 7.62mm NATO which had a pretty huge recoil and was quite heavy since the soldier can carry less amunition compared to the more light weight 5.56. Though it seems future designs might eventualy go for a combination of both bullets eventualy which lead to developments like the 6.8x43mm or cartridges of similar size. But many weapons seem also to utilize the powerfull 7,62x51mm NATO again like the HK417 for its excelent stoping power and accuracy. Evolution of assault rifles though is pretty much at its peak with powder bassed weapons and its unlikely that one can expect again such huge jumps like either the Avtomat Federov, Stgw or Ak since most weapons today are already at the maximum of what is possible in effectivness and inovation I mean we look back on a history of 80 years now (aprox). But we might still see the one or other smaller improvement over time. Proboably till we get the first standart pulse or plasma rifles

[KnightFandragon]

I can prolly see the first laser weapons coming when some joker tries to come up w/ a way to solve the need for endangering resupply aircraft crew and all the extra weight of ammo as well as solution to running out of ammo period.

[Crni vuk]

future evolution already now







*hey, what about a Terminator mod for Men of War, or a sci fi game with the same focus on complexity and reliability

[KnightFandragon]

Thats where I hope and wait for the Battletech mod to get done.....Battletech is my #1 Fav Genre 2nd is WWII. Nothing is more awesome then a 3 story high robot marauding down the street blasting the living woo-hoo out of anything stupid enough to stand in its way. Also, cant wait for Pirhana games to get hte new Mechwarrior game done....havent heard much on that game lately....*Tear* So, while I am waiting on that Butchering hordes of T34's w/ my King Tiger and its KwK44, sporting Speedwolf's wicked black SS skin will have to do =D After all it is a King Tiger, prolly the only tank that will stand up to the power of a mech

[FM_Von_Manstein]

Originally Posted by KnightFandragon

Thats where I hope and wait for the Battletech mod to get done.....Battletech is my #1 Fav Genre 2nd is WWII. Nothing is more awesome then a 3 story high robot marauding down the street blasting the living woo-hoo out of anything stupid enough to stand in its way. Also, cant wait for Pirhana games to get hte new Mechwarrior game done....havent heard much on that game lately....*Tear* So, while I am waiting on that Butchering hordes of T34's w/ my King Tiger and its KwK44, sporting Speedwolf's wicked black SS skin will have to do =D After all it is a King Tiger, prolly the only tank that will stand up to the power of a mech

If the mech has less than 250mm armor then the KT would pwn it at long ranges.

[KnightFandragon]

Mechwarrior never does quantify the milimeters of armor on a mech...it always just goes by armor points protecting an area. Im just going to guess that by the thickness of mech parts and the strains 250mm of armor would prolly put on a mech standing up..they prolly dont have 250mm or more =P Plus, Mechs in RL would be entirely to easy to take out, just fire at the knee's and they are toast. Still, despite that Mechs are tooo awesome

[Crni vuk]

Originally Posted by FM_Von_Manstein

If the mech has less than 250mm armor then the KT would pwn it at long ranges.

Depends about what kind of armor we are talking about. Most tanks today have a lot less then 250mm of armor and I doubt a Tiger II could penetrate their front. Not with the first short that for sure. Most vehicles today have armor equal to 500 or more mm of RHA (steel armor) but dont posses that kind of thickness in real since they contain today combinations of several different materials and body kits like reactive armor (many times soviet/russian designs), composit or ceramic and sometimes even layers of sand between the armor as aditional protection against shaped charges.