oleg, the ejected pilot in Lockon-2 walks home after landing

[zapatista]

Originally Posted by pete410

It will certainly be great to walk around a plane in first person perspective and assess the damage it received after a difficult mission.

i think being able to walk/run your pilot from the dispersal hut to the aircraft and then climb in/out of the plane would be good to

similarly, after landing a plane following a mission being able to walk to the debriefing room and view maps/reports of the results of the mission (while AI activity continues to take places at the base, jeeps driving around, planes landing, loudspeakers blaring messages etc).

compared to the sterile lifeless "ground world" we now have in il2 adding small elements like that make a big difference for immersion

[AKA_Tenn]

well i think it would be cool to have like a briefing room, then it might show some cutscene of you getting into ur plane, then it goes into the first-person view we all know and love, and ur crew is standing over top of you, explaining to u the condition of ur aircraft, helping you with your harness etc...

but as for bail out and walk home... well thats a bit too much... if ur on british side then u just land in water or a field with cows and farmers etc... if ur on german team, u just land in a field or over water too... and either way its either game over, or u end up back at ur base, so might as well just skip those hours it takes to get to where ur going and just get into the next game, right?

[trashcanman]

bananazoo?

[zapatista]

Originally Posted by AKA_Tenn

well i think it would be cool to have like a briefing room, then it might show some cutscene of you getting into ur plane, then it goes into the first-person view we all know and love, and ur crew is standing over top of you, explaining to u the condition of ur aircraft, helping you with your harness etc...

that might well be the way we get it in BoB at first because of priorities leading up to release, but as previous posts from oleg have indicated he has a fully articulated figure of the pilot that can be controlled from a 1e person perspective and interact with objects (open doors, climb in/out of planes, drive vehicles, control AA guns or different crew positions for guns in vehicles/planes)

Originally Posted by AKA_Tenn

but as for bail out and walk home... well thats a bit too much....... and either way its either game over, or u end up back at ur base, so might as well just skip those hours it takes to get to where ur going and just get into the next game, right?

nobody is talking about imposing on everybody to physically navigate/move his ejected pilot back to home base in real time. the way i see it is more a matter of having elements built into the sim from the start that can then be combined into more complex actions which add realism (and oleg has most of those elements already built into the new sim). for ex, ejected pilot lands in friendly field,

scenario 1: pilot walks to nearest road. then shortly after car/bus/truck drives by, vehicle stops, short animation/video of your pilot getting in, scene fades. next scene your pilot arrives back at home base for mission debriefing, and choosing next plane or mission. in that scenario your pilot will keep his name, rank, behavior record and home base location

scenario 2: when pilot lands in field (or even while still in parachute descending), player hits refly. then selects new base/mission/plane to fly, but in that case it is not very realistic to keep the player's name, history and record, it should be a new pilot. after 1 or 2 hrs, maybe even days (depending on location the pilot landed), the original pilot might again be available on the roster board (unless he got killed or captured)

oleg already added "managing your plane", where individual planes will keep a history of engine use and abuse, damage, stresses and repairs, so why not add further elements to the pilots history and events ? most of the needed elements are already built in from the start, its a matter of combining some of these and it will significantly increase realism and immersion (for the non-airquake players). gamers that dont like/want them simply do not have to use them and can keep the current perfect health pilots that instantly can teletransport to a brand new plane at any airbase location at any time, there just should be less continuity of pilot history in that case

[AndyJWest]

...previous posts from oleg have indicated he has a fully articulated figure of the pilot that can be controlled from a 1e person perspective and interact with objects (open doors, climb in/out of planes, drive vehicles, control AA guns or different crew positions for guns in vehicles/planes)

Can we have a link to these posts, please...

[virre89]

Originally Posted by zapatista

that might well be the way we get it in BoB at first because of priorities leading up to release, but as previous posts from oleg have indicated he has a fully articulated figure of the pilot that can be controlled from a 1e person perspective and interact with objects (open doors, climb in/out of planes, drive vehicles, control AA guns or different crew positions for guns in vehicles/planes)

Link? Proof?
As far as we know it's confirmed to be controllable ground objects in form of AA guns and equivalent objects, nothing else atm. The engine might support it but there is NO indication that it will be included in SoW at all.
Besides it would probably be a rather jagged experience, the game is designed to be a flight sim not a first person shooter or walking experience, and yet again just because the engine supports it doesn't mean its gonna be an ideal experience.

What possible immersion could you get of trying replicated the experience after you've bailed and landed seriously? Life simulator?
Oleg is already committing an ridiculous amount of effort and passion into making the aircrafts, aerodynamics, damage-model etc as accurate and realistic as possible.

[zapatista]

Originally Posted by virre89

Link? Poof?.

you are in the wrong forum for that, no poof's here. if you are in the process of timidly stepping out of the closet and need poof links, use google to find your new bbf

Originally Posted by virre89

As far as we know it's confirmed to be controllable ground objects in form of AA guns and equivalent objects, nothing else atm. The engine might support it but there is NO indication that it will be included in SoW at all.

thankfully you'r completely wrong, and again on another topic are showing you dont know what you are talking about. neither do you seem to make a basic effort to inform yourself better and get up to date on what EXTENSIVE information has already been provided on this before you start babbling on as if you know everything in the universe. its maybe typical behavior for a teenager and your stage of devellopment, but your making yourself look like a fool here, and no yapping on and on repeating the same nonsense wont change that.

Originally Posted by virre89

Besides it would probably be a rather jagged experience, the game is designed to be a flight sim not a first person shooter or walking experience, and yet again just because the engine supports it doesn't mean its gonna be an ideal experience..

happy to report that yet again you are wrong, o so wrong. you just go away and play with your tonka trucks and we'll start using the next gen flightsim world that is being created by oleg once it gets released, bon voyage !

Originally Posted by virre89

What possible immersion could you get of trying replicated the experience after you've bailed and landed seriously? Life simulator?

jeez, gosh, what could it all mean ? life must be bewildering to you, and in your little bleak mental world it must be rather dull and boring.

the good news is that for the rest of us, and all you need to do is read the extended snips of news and information oleg has given here and on other forums/articles/interviews over the months/years (none of which you seem to be familiar with) , is that oleg in his revamped work for BoB in the last few years has built an entirely new level simulation world into the sim engine right from the start, still with aircraft as it primary focus (it is a flightsim after all), but with a whole immersive world around it that you can interact with, and this will be gradually expanded on.

that includes
- a 24/7 dynamic server with an unfolding scenario we can interact with (several versions even, partially scripted historical series of missions for ex, and a fully dynamic "anything you do affects the outcome" type where the german side could win BoB). you'd be able to join a dynamic 24/7 server like that at anytime (confirmed) and either get a tasked mission list to choose from (like falcon 4 servers), or "free fly" from various airfields you select.
- ai activity at airfields with ambulances, fire trucks, even an ai routine for buses/trucks/cars on roads (some london double decker buses initially, but probably some additional traffic on roads). ability to refuel and rearm aircraft at airfields, so in theory you could presumably fly around for days at a time with the same aircraft.
- different crew positions you can select in the same aicraft (takeover from the pilot if he gets killed etc). even be able to select another ai aircraft to takeover as a pilot (so that if you get killed on a long coop server mission, you dont need to wait 2 hrs for the net game to rejoin.
- ground vehicles you can drive, probably at least one included from the start (depends on deadline issues, but that was/is still oleg's aim to include from his latest statements ), but if not will be added soon thereafter (and feature built into the engine from the start). several people are already making new vehicle models for this (with complete 3D cabin), like foobar with the volkswagen and a frenchman with his citroen. the vehicles will have doors etc that open and close (to get in and out etc), moving peddles and steering wheel, working mirrors etc (just like aircraft, but i suspect detail level for vehicles one notch below the aircraft, similar to the current ships prob).
- looks like you will be able to load trucks and trains with specific cargo and objects to (my hope is this will be integrated into the dynamic campaign and restricting or damaging trains/trucks with supplies to the frontline and airfields will interfere with their fighting ability). oleg even posted pics of individual munitions for AA guns etc, presumably when you blow up some of those boxes near an AA gun it will reduce its ability to fire that type of munition even.
- damaging hangers and other supplies at an airfield will reduce its supply of fuel and ammunition for aircraft there, and the availability of aircraft themselves if they are damaged/destroyed
- integrated multiple components of the air defense system, like radar, but also spot lights of AA batteries (damaging one element in the group affects the overall performance etc..)
- ability to control and fire guns in tanks (and other ground fighting vehicles). this is probable next step after the first cars have been made available, but opening up a whole other dimension to the sim. one aspect of this is controlling some AA guns at airfields right from the start
- the "pilot" will be an articulated 3D character that can control various objects and vehicles/planes/guns etc. (for example at an airfield be able to run to an AA gun, or run/walk to a different aircraft to fly). no idea to which extent this will be provided from the start, but the recent video of the pilot climbing in/out of the aircraft should give you some clue's they have achieved this.
- ability to control some smaller ships, oleg already stated he hoped to have some included from the start ( like torpedo boats iirc, or maybe just able to rescue downed pilots in the water ?), if not soon thereafter. the naval aspect of the sim is another aspect he plans to expand on to, and will allow 3e parties to work on further very quickly
- aircraft (? and pilots) will have a "history" attached to them, where damage/wear-and-tear etc is kept a record of, affecting aircraft performance over multiple missions (? and pilots performance if fatigued or injured etc)
- water is 3 dimensional and has depth (presumably can add submarines, submersed object etc)

presumably oleg is working towards an integrated air/land/sea sim, where as a flightsim you can have some control over the other elements (ground/sea)

and no, none of that means a flightsim gets turned into a 1e person shooter, but yes, he does aim to provide a whole new immersible world where you can interact with other objects like ships/trucks/tanks/cars (large sections will be left to 3e parties to put the effort to develop further, with oleg providing the initial elements)

so for a bailed pilot after landing to take control of a vehicle (or walk if you are really really patient) and make it back to base in BoB isnt that far fetched (be this in real time, or accelerated time). will oleg be able to get that much included from the start, no idea, hence this threads topic and question to him, hoping he'd give a glimps of how far he got with it.

Originally Posted by virre89

Oleg is already committing an ridiculous amount of effort and passion into making the aircrafts, aerodynamics, damage-model etc as accurate and realistic as possible.

its nice to know you care ! now go and read some of the extensive information oleg has already provided on this over the years (including in this forums threads which you could easily read if you weren't that lazy), on what will make his sim so different and nextgen compared to other standalone product. then maybe come back afterward and nicely ask some of the grown ups here (who have kept up to date on developments) for further information and they might just answer. sadly, i suspect your caught in an age related mental feedback loop where you perpetually believe only you can ever be right even if you know very little about the subject, and you'll just keep blabbering nonsense on and on, while sadly being completely unaware of what is actually is being created

[_RAAF_Stupot]

I would like the 'walking home to base idea' if it includes the 'hiding-under-the-haystack-in-the-barn-avoiding-the-Gestapo-only-to-be-discovered-by-the-18yo-mademoiselle-as-she-was-going-to-milk-the-cow' option.....

(Assuming I was an Allied pilot on the Continent, of course).

[AndyJWest]

So Zapatista's response to an obvious typo is not to provide the links requested, but to come out with a stream of personal insults in his usual ungrammatical style.

Time to stop feeding the troll.

[zapatista]

Originally Posted by AndyJWest

So Zapatista's response to an obvious typo is not to provide the links requested

and the lazy response from AndyJWest is to not even bother reading the previous posts in this forum by oleg (in addition to what he has said in his main interviews about BoB), which already addresses most of those same points in detail with direct answers by oleg himself (as most of the longer term users of this forum already know)