Need a help: British awards in period of BoB.

Icewolf · #1 03-08-2010, 10:13 PM

Hello
Oleg

here is the WEB SITE where you can find all the information that you need.
it has all of the awards and the critera needed ( incomplete)

in some case of course like the George Cross/medal which you would not use because it was instituted June 24th, 1941.
there is no reason why you couldn't use the Military Cross normally given for ground action but there are pilots who were awared this honor

http://www.ww2awards.com/ EDIT : after further research there are some errors on this web site

I have done a lot more research and have found a very credible web source,I am in the process of gathering this information and will post shortly

BUZZSAW is only partially correct in his post but he got me started in doing a much more through research

Icewolf · #2 03-09-2010, 05:55 AM

http://www.wauchope.ca/~flanders/Bri... including.doc

I believe this document is accurate up to OCTOBER 1940.... if anyone finds errors ...please post corrections for Oleg
I left Buzzsaws description of dispatches out of this DOC file ,he describes it much better than I

as you look through this document you will see, as Buzzsaw described, that rank played an important part in what awards a person recieved

brando · #3 03-09-2010, 11:11 AM

Please note that no-one would be awarded the 1939-45 medal or star until AFTER the war! In fact it's worth noting that many of the medals listed were not presented until after hostilities had ceased. Medals for acts of gallantry are the exception here - being awarded while the war was ongoing - but there was usually a gap of months between the act and the investiture.

Friendly_flyer · #4 03-11-2010, 07:14 AM

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Originally Posted by brando

Medals for acts of gallantry are the exception here - being awarded while the war was ongoing - but there was usually a gap of months between the act and the investiture.

Actually, it would be nice to have a system where you were awarded medals for flying you did several missions previously. It would really add to the feeling!

Acid · #5 03-21-2010, 06:31 AM

Oleg besides the awards, will the game keep track of all the types of Aircraft you've shot down? .

NikToo · #6 03-24-2010, 09:29 AM

Don't know what all the confusion is about over this. The British medal system is quite clear. For the Royal Air Force in 1940 the awards would simply have been:

VC: Officers and ORs. Obviously very rare.
DSO: Officers, for "distinguished service".
DFC: Officers and WOs, for "valor in [...] active operations.
DFM: NCOs and ORs for "active operations".
MID: Mention in Dispatches, which wouldn't lead to an award per se until the end of the war.

Quotes are from the Medal Yearbook, 2007 edition.

Bars would be added for additional awards. Note that DSOs, DFCs, and DFMs could also be given out at the end of operational tours, noting basically the bravery it took to do a large number of missions rather than just a single act.

No Campaign Stars were awarded until after the war. However, it was possible to wear the ribbon for the 1939-43 Star along with the Africa Star ribbon after 1943. Only the ribbon was awarded, not the Stars. Of course, this was later amended to the 1939-45 Star.

So in the terms of a game do really well in a mission on an easy setting and you get the DFM, finish a campaign and get a bar. On a difficult setting the DFC for a mission and the DSO for a campaign or a bar. One thing to remember is that you can't exactly mimic life here. After all, it only takes about five kills to become an "ace", but it would be a pretty boring game if you really had to struggle to just shoot down five aircraft. Most people probably approach Marseille-like numbers quite easily.

Avimimus · #7 03-25-2010, 11:49 AM

If I recall correctly there were often considerable delays between the decision to give the award and actually receiving it.

I remember one case where the commanding officer and some other staff were killed in a plane wreck shortly before this was to take place. A number of aircrew had been told that they were being recommended for awards but the entire squadron lost its chance to get the recognition when this tragic crash occurred.

*Buzzsaw* · #8 03-09-2010, 01:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Icewolf

in some case of course like the George Cross/medal which you would not use because it was instituted June 24th, 1941.
there is no reason why you couldn't use the Military Cross normally given for ground action but there are pilots who were awared this honor

The George Cross is only awarded to civilians, not to Military Pilots. It is the equivalent of the VC for a civilian.

The Military Cross was not awarded to any RAF pilots in WWII. It was a British Army award, and was only awarded to Royal Flying Corps pilots in WWI, during the period when the RFC was still part of the British Army. When the Royal Airforce was created in 1918, a new set of Airforce awards were created. The Military Cross was replaced with the Distinguished Flying Cross and the Miltary Medal for noncoms was replaced with the Distinguished Flying Medal.

Icewolf · #9 03-09-2010, 02:03 PM

the George Cross and Military cross could be awarded to military personnel.
Pilots from both Canada and New Zealand recieved these awards but again there are circumstances different from the other awards than action in the sky

Oleg Maddox · #10 03-09-2010, 02:13 PM

Hi,

I read all posts, be sure. Simply had not time to replay fro each post.

Help is very good. Sure.

I simply personally know if not all then most of German awards...
Nothing yet about Italian and just partially about British.

And we will have different to Il-2 system of awards.... it was easy to make for German strong system.....