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Old 02-20-2010, 05:18 PM
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Black unicorn - assassin. This has many variables. My guess is venomous+no retaliation more than makes up for the BU's higher health and average damage. Also keep in mind the A has high critical (25%) so there's a good chance he will strike some hefty hits.

Beholder-Archmage. An interesting battle at long range. I think - but may be mistaken - that protecting himself with magic shield the AM will be the winner.

The Hayterant can keep away from the knight but would lose on TB. However it's possible that combining higher initiative with sharp beak the H could pull off hit&run tactics to snatch victory.
In the simplest straight up brawl, the assassin wins due to his no retaliation. Once you factor in his 2 special attacks and venomous I think it becomes a 3-1 match.

Archmage has innate 50% magic resistance vs beholder's magic type attack. In the simplest straight up shooting match, archmage wins handily due to higher damage and higher health. Magic shield is not necessary. Using fighting trance (doubles damage and not attack, another mistranslation), archmage would crush beholder. Call this a 3-0 match.

Knight has innate 30% physical resistance. Even with crits all the time, the hayterant would be doing less damage than the knight to start with and much less once mastery kicks in. Knight has more 45% more health. 3-0 match.
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Old 02-20-2010, 05:54 PM
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Royal thorn I think loses to vampire actually. How many thorns does the royal need out to actually kill the vampire in a single round? This assumes he flies in close as bat form, then switches to melee form when he can.

I think druid kills paladin. It's a tricky one, but the paladin is REALLY slow, and bears will clog his pathways. Though, I would be curious to see how many actual druid hits it takes to kill a paladin.
Average case: 47 thorn warriors hits, 68 thorn hunter hits, 2 royal thorn hits, or some combination thereof.
Best case (every hit a crit, damage rounded up): 24 warrior, 35 thorn, 2 royal

Paladin has innate 30% magic resistance, druid does an average of 2.66 damage to start (76! hits to kill) and 1.61 at full mastery (124!! hits). Paladin is godawful slow, but that's a ridiculous number of hits. I think the bears would actually do most of the damage, while the druid plays ring around the rosey (bearsey?) to keep the paladin at bay. Paladin can't kill even the worst bears in one hit (even with a crit), so they would eventually suffer death thru bear retaliation. If they choose to chase the druid, they would never get him while the bears slowly pick away health. 3-0 match for the druids, extremely tedious but they win eventually I think.

Edit: I forgot about paladin prayer which he could use to heal himself a bit. Battle takes even longer (druid hits even more absurd) but outcome is ultimately the same.

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Polar Bear 3
Demoness (30) 1

I think the no retaliation whip attack every two turns does not save the demoness from the higher health and damage of the polar bear
This one is an absolute squeaker. Similar to the marauder vs bear, over time it's 2 demoness hits for every polar bear hit. The demoness can time her hits such that the polar bear never gets to take advantage of brutal. The averages say that the demoness needs 9.02 (!) hits to kill while the bear needs 4.9. The demoness can't get her 10th and final hit in before the bear gets his 5th and final hit. If luck favors the demoness just a bit, the bear goes down on the 9th hit. 3-2 for the bear but very, VERY close.

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Old 02-20-2010, 06:08 PM
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The royal thorn-vampire match seems the big issue. Changing a 3-1 or even 3-2 to 3-0 affects nothing in the end, but here we have no unanimous verdict about the winner... I will wait a bit more to see if further arguments roll in before moving to round three.
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