Black Knights, Solos all bosses, 300k+ Crits

[DGDobrev]

Because Elenhel is a source of useful wanderers' scrolls. Wanderers' scrolls make you powerful and help you reach higher levels. He is also the only companion who complements your char perfectly, so that she can wield all +XP% items in the game without having you waste a slot. Splinter + Black Helmet is +2 Morale to Black Knights so you don't lose much. The extra artifact slot will help you equip Amulet of Death + Dead Skull even if you're a warrior/paladin and the extra gloves slot will help you equip 2 x gloves of necropolis for +1 Spd/Initiative boost to all undead, which in my opinion is better than +1 morale. With both sets on and some investment in Dark Commander and Adrenaline, you can get your Black Knights respond faster than an Archdemon or Black Dragon, giving you the upper hand in every battle.

Not to mention that +4 intellect bonus. With it, even as a paladin or a warrior, you can get 20 intellect and improve your buff durations by +1, which is a battle winner in many cases.

[Smash]

Originally Posted by DGDobrev

Because Elenhel is a source of useful wanderers' scrolls. Wanderers' scrolls make you powerful and help you reach higher levels. He is also the only companion who complements your char perfectly, so that she can wield all +XP% items in the game without having you waste a slot. Splinter + Black Helmet is +2 Morale to Black Knights so you don't lose much. The extra artifact slot will help you equip Amulet of Death + Dead Skull even if you're a warrior/paladin and the extra gloves slot will help you equip 2 x gloves of necropolis for +1 Spd/Initiative boost to all undead, which in my opinion is better than +1 morale. With both sets on and some investment in Dark Commander and Adrenaline, you can get your Black Knights respond faster than an Archdemon or Black Dragon, giving you the upper hand in every battle.

Not to mention that +4 intellect bonus. With it, even as a paladin or a warrior, you can get 20 intellect and improve your buff durations by +1, which is a battle winner in many cases.

Except of +50% xp and call of undead for free knights i wouldn't called rest of the scrolls such important.

+4 int is unneeded thing, iron skin work 5 turns more than enough.
Time Back and Evlin are not based upon int, mana pool is more important.

With Elenhel you loose weapon slot very bad, how you want your Knight to has up to 21-28 base damage? Seriously 180+ BK killed whole stack of 12 Emerald Dragons in first turn in one hit... add to this +40% fire damage spell and their buff and nothing will survive.

I prefer +10% better stats and crit and +3 attack over initiative and speed which BK do not need as even if opponent attack first they will just die to retaliate while slots can be use for other artifacts.
Adrenaline and Dark Commander are enough, additional you have run ability and mana accelator to get where you want in first turn. Oh and warrior storm ability +3 initiative in first turn.

[loreangelicus]

Originally Posted by Smash

Except of +50% xp and call of undead for free knights i wouldn't called rest of the scrolls such important.

+4 int is unneeded thing, iron skin work 5 turns more than enough.
Time Back and Evlin are not based upon int, mana pool is more important.

With Elenhel you loose weapon slot very bad, how you want your Knight to has up to 21-28 base damage? Seriously 180+ BK killed whole stack of 12 Emerald Dragons in first turn in one hit... add to this +40% fire damage spell and their buff and nothing will survive.

I prefer +10% better stats and crit and +3 attack over initiative and speed which BK do not need as even if opponent attack first they will just die to retaliate while slots can be use for other artifacts.
Adrenaline and Dark Commander are enough, additional you have run ability and mana accelator to get where you want in first turn. Oh and warrior storm ability +3 initiative in first turn.

A debate on the build of the Black Knight? Seriously, any half-decent build on the BKs plus Eviln and they could solo any fight, even on impossible.

What is critical is that any high score run needs Ancient Knowledge, and you could, with a lot of patience and reloading battles, manipulate Elenhel to produce AKs every 30 battles.

[McSwan]

Yeah, my first attempt at beating the record went bad when I realised I got unlucky and had no AK scrolls at all so had to start again. Restarted a gaem where I knew I had 6

DBdob.. wrote:
"Yes. Kite your way to Elon, get 1-2 dragon eggs in the process, do the free quests for XP and leadership, get Moro as your companion, free him in the first 50-60 battles (can be done sooner), dismiss him and get Elenhel. He should be freed by the time you reach Verona (or halfway through Verona fights).

Takes very little game time, I think it may be done in less than 2 days. If you're fast and have a map of Verona on Scarlet, it'll take even less. Debir-Scarlet-Verona-Elon-Sheterra-Debir is the loop you need "

Nice idea. Don't know why you;d need to goto to Sheterra though? Doesn't rusty have a quest that you need to go to Elon for anyway? You could pick up the princess in Verona I guess.

It won't cost you any time kiting a place if you *have* to return to it anyway, but it will cost you if you return to the same place more than you optimally have to.

So...
Kite debir..
Kite Scarlet..
Kite Rusty .. get bird and anti-drinking quest that leads to elon
Kite Verona .. get princess
Kite Elon .. Get dragon eggs - get drink for return to rusty - get undead companion
Maybe goto Dersu
kite nameless - get quest that you have to go back to scarlet for.
clear BOLO - you have to get the stone before returning to debir - shouldn't be a problem with dragons
clear debir - drop off princess - drop off stone
clear scarlet - do parrot quest - is there anyhting else you need to return here for?
clear Rusty
clear verona - get elenel
kite/ clear monterro as it doesn't cost you time to walk over the bridge?
then goblin place etc.

Yeah that could be an awesome plan, maybe not the most optimal, but the most "doable".

Also, you could start doing the chest trick in debir too for maximum chance of AK scrolls/ runes.

[DGDobrev]

McSwan, your idea is pretty good, but it takes a wee bit longer. The idea for:
Debir-Scarlet-Verona-Elon-Sheterra-Debir came because of:

Debir-Scarlet: 3 hours. Go for the verona map straight away. Get any chests floating around scarlet.
Scarlet-Verona: 6 hours. Elon map is easily kiteable and you can use your ship to land there. Take the map and get any chests floating around verona or treasures that are easily accessible. If there aren't many enemies on the way, you can get the countess. If there are, no big deal.
Verona-Elon: 7 Hours. Sheterra map is in the underground, River of Memory. Use the boat to get near moro, recruit him and get in the entrance hext to him. Take the map, steal around. If there are any dragon eggs, don't miss them.
Elon-Sheterra: 5 hours. Since we're going back to Debir to start the game properly anyway, we may as well get a few more levels. Do the Fasmodey quest, take the sword from Hephestus, get a few more eggs.
- if you want agvares rather than moro for a girl power party, this route also works.
Sheterra-Debir: 7 hours. Now we can properly start the game at a high level, with a number of runes and items already in hand to boost Amelie.
Notes: scan your file for useful items in Scarlet, Verona, Elon and Sheterra, so that you can buy them on your way there without wasting too much time in checking

28 hours is the travel time, a few more for looking around and stealing, so in day and a half you can become powerful enough to get off the right foot. Now you can easily beat the game in 9 days tops

Still, I guess one can go to bolo after sheterra, or skip sheterra at all.

Your route is quite nice, certainly provides an additional option and I like it. However, for me, shettera is very important because it allows you to get a few quests, maybe buy some powerful items and even get some troops you might find useful. Some archdemons to help your dragons and halve the enemy stacks is always efficient

[Smash]

Originally Posted by loreangelicus

A debate on the build of the Black Knight? Seriously, any half-decent build on the BKs plus Eviln and they could solo any fight, even on impossible.
What is critical is that any high score run needs Ancient Knowledge, and you could, with a lot of patience and reloading battles, manipulate Elenhel to produce AKs every 30 battles.

You can debate on anything, didn't you know? This is about maximize BK potential, i do not care if they need this or no same as i do not care about high score runs! Got it?

[loreangelicus]

Originally Posted by Smash

You can debate on anything, didn't you know? This is about maximize BK potential, i do not care if they need this or no same as i do not care about high score runs! Got it?

Easy there fella, so you don't care about the score, got it.

You also do understand that any debate on maximizing the potential of BKs would go straight to a debate on which is the best class to use for this build, from the different supporting skill trees to the different item slots which in turn would result in different items.

Maybe you could post screenshots of your end-game build of your black knights then (hero screen and stats screen of the Bks); and maybe a short description of how the build is used considering that a warrior build would play differently than a mage build.

[ZomBPir8Ninja]

How did you kite the Verona map on Scarlet? Both maps are in corners guarded by stationary enemies.

[KongMysen]

They can both be optained since the guards aren't REALLY stationary- It just requires alot of reloading.

Edit: Post #3 in the posted thread is my way of kiting. Others do it differently in terms of quicksaving etc.

http://forum.1cpublishing.eu/showthread.php?t=13252