Is Zero Losses on Normal Mage possible in KB:AP?

[cicobuff]

I'm giving up also..... everything is lethal/very strong/impossible....

Even when I sneaked pass some patrols and reached the vendors. None sold anything I could recruit or use to turn the tide......

Is zero-loss on a Warrior possible on Normal? The skills on the Warrior tree dont look so impressive also. Unless the leadership and def/att attributes growth is much better compared to mage, I think I'll have a hard time too.

[Elwin]

Warrior is hard on early begginig only, ( not harder than mage anyway) when you got dive dragon skill you just start instantyl kill everything ... i know it, i play mage and my brother warrior. And we are at same point but i have to think like crazy to win any battle with no losse and it takes me lot of time whlie my brother just dive dive dive and thats alll, almost instant win... Just pump up migfht runes in rage and dragon exp ....

[Zhuangzi]

Originally Posted by cicobuff

I'm giving up also..... everything is lethal/very strong/impossible....

Even when I sneaked pass some patrols and reached the vendors. None sold anything I could recruit or use to turn the tide......

Is zero-loss on a Warrior possible on Normal? The skills on the Warrior tree dont look so impressive also. Unless the leadership and def/att attributes growth is much better compared to mage, I think I'll have a hard time too.

I am up to 89 fights without loss on Impossible as a Warrior, so I'd say almost certainly yes. Some heroes do look especially challenging though (Zig Zag on Rusty Anchor who likes to cast Geyser springs to mind). But there's always a way around it - it might mean have a particular team for boss fights (i.e. those with high hp).

[cicobuff]

Originally Posted by Zhuangzi

I am up to 89 fights without loss on Impossible as a Warrior, so I'd say almost certainly yes. Some heroes do look especially challenging though (Zig Zag on Rusty Anchor who likes to cast Geyser springs to mind). But there's always a way around it - it might mean have a particular team for boss fights (i.e. those with high hp).

Wow I'm impressed. My mage is at about 85 battles no loss and that is only normal. I get the nagging feeling that maybe if I assigned my skills properly I can do it. But with everything at Very Strong at least, I just cant seem to progress. Zig Zag is a bitch, I just bypassed him into the cave.

Elwin's tip on the Rage + Dive combo sounds interesting. Not sure if it can produce zero loss though.

Is there a chart that indicates how much leadership/att/def defers between the classes? I am quite sad that I have to stop with this character and restart as a warrior. I thought that Normal setting was easy but this is way way harder than KB:L.

Maybe I should not aim for zero-loss on my 1st play through..... nah, zero-loss all the way!

[Zhuangzi]

Originally Posted by cicobuff

Wow I'm impressed. My mage is at about 85 battles no loss and that is only normal. I get the nagging feeling that maybe if I assigned my skills properly I can do it. But with everything at Very Strong at least, I just cant seem to progress. Zig Zag is a bitch, I just bypassed him into the cave.

Elwin's tip on the Rage + Dive combo sounds interesting. Not sure if it can produce zero loss though.

Is there a chart that indicates how much leadership/att/def defers between the classes? I am quite sad that I have to stop with this character and restart as a warrior. I thought that Normal setting was easy but this is way way harder than KB:L.

Maybe I should not aim for zero-loss on my 1st play through..... nah, zero-loss all the way!

DGDobrev has a thread with a ton of information in it about various aspects of the game. It's around hereabouts...but basically I think that Warrior will be significantly easier than Mage, at least to start with, because the Mage is crippled by tiny leadership (at least on Impossible). For reference, I am up to about 6100 leadership by level 14 with the Warrior, although that does count +1000 for 50 fights without loss and plenty of flags picked up on Verona and the dwarf land (forgotten its name )

[cicobuff]

Oh my gosh. With only lvl14, you have got 6+k? I am at lvl18 and is at only 5.8k, and that is also with items and flags etc.

I have a choice, either restart as a normal warrior and try again at no loss or just accept that I'll loose a few troops and soldier on. But looking at the stacks, even if I accept losses, it's gonna be a hell of a ride as a mage....

[Elwin]

I am lvl 14 mage with 3,7k leadership ... including medal for 50 battles ... Leadership hads nothing to do with difficulty ..

[cicobuff]

Originally Posted by Elwin

I am lvl 14 mage with 3,7k leadership ... including medal for 50 battles ... Leadership hads nothing to do with difficulty ..

I'm lvl18 with about 5+k. Playing on normal only though.

Hmmmm, I don't find that "leadership don't matter" strictly true. Bigger stacks allow me to wipe out opposing stacks more easily. Also, reduces chances of enemy heroes casting a random direct spell against me if I can finish the battle quicker.

My mage just does not have the capability to wipe out stacks with spells alone. I'm relying a lot on slow/helplessness/bless/paladin's resurrect etc to help me. Maybe that's why I'm having problems.

Should I have loaded up on Chaos Magic 3 and fire dmg boosters and nuke the enemy instead?

[DGDobrev]

Normal no-loss mage is completely plausible. You will need to employ some "strange" tactics.

Try to do a lot of map stealing and do quests that do not involve fighting. That will get you well within level 18-20 if you do it properly and get all the way to Reha. You may lose a week, but it is worth it. You will most certainly end up with a bunch of dragon eggs, tirex eggs, a lot of paladins, lizards, etc., as well as some decent spells, 200k+ gold (that's on impossible, so on normal it will be at least 350k), cool artifacts and so on. You do need to be careful, to save often and be nimble

As for the dragon eggs that hatched chicken, that is a prank. however those chicken lay golden eggs. They will not lay them for you, but they are sold for 2500 in the castles. The Dwarf on Tekron has a special line in the dialogue with him, with amelie asking why the dragon eggs are so cheap. Try it out. The normal dragon eggs cost over 10k. Those were only 2k. You should expect some foul play here

As for the spells it is completely up to a personal preference. In the beginning, your mage will not be that effective. Its true firepower shows around lvl 35+, where you will be able to upgrade some of the items and stock up on intellect. If you expect to do some damage with 10-15 int, you won't be able to, so I'd rather use debuffs at that time and an occasional 2x flaming arrow to boost the fire mage medal and grant myself some extra mana.

EDIT: As for the leadership doesn't matter, I totally support that it doesn't. Provided you have good tactical thinking and know your spells and army well, you can win a battle with an enemy that outnumbers you threefold without losses

[cicobuff]

Originally Posted by DGDobrev

Normal no-loss mage is completely plausible. You will need to employ some "strange" tactics.

Try to do a lot of map stealing and do quests that do not involve fighting. That will get you well within level 18-20 if you do it properly and get all the way to Reha. You may lose a week, but it is worth it. You will most certainly end up with a bunch of dragon eggs, tirex eggs, a lot of paladins, lizards, etc., as well as some decent spells, 200k+ gold (that's on impossible, so on normal it will be at least 350k), cool artifacts and so on. You do need to be careful, to save often and be nimble

As for the dragon eggs that hatched chicken, that is a prank. however those chicken lay golden eggs. They will not lay them for you, but they are sold for 2500 in the castles. The Dwarf on Tekron has a special line in the dialogue with him, with amelie asking why the dragon eggs are so cheap. Try it out. The normal dragon eggs cost over 10k. Those were only 2k. You should expect some foul play here

As for the spells it is completely up to a personal preference. In the beginning, your mage will not be that effective. Its true firepower shows around lvl 35+, where you will be able to upgrade some of the items and stock up on intellect. If you expect to do some damage with 10-15 int, you won't be able to, so I'd rather use debuffs at that time and an occasional 2x flaming arrow to boost the fire mage medal and grant myself some extra mana.

EDIT: As for the leadership doesn't matter, I totally support that it doesn't. Provided you have good tactical thinking and know your spells and army well, you can win a battle with an enemy that outnumbers you threefold without losses

Thanks DGDobrev, you may have confirmed my fears. That is my mage has taken on wrong skills.

I'm at level 18 right now and is finding progress with zero loss not possible =(.
I think I may have gotten about 200-300k in total with some nice items. Now I'm finding it extremely difficult to progress. Everything is Very Strong. I just can kill them fast enough before they reach my lines.

I was thinking that I probably took on the wrong skills. Seeing your reply now confirms it. Sigh. Time for a restart, at least I take the knowledge with me in my new game. =)