Daidalos Team's Room -QUESTIONS AND REQUESTS ONLY on IL2 Authorized Addons

David603 · #1 10-31-2009, 03:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Bulgarian

Hello David603,
I know very well what I'm talking about,and I bet you do too.
There's no reason to play blind here.

Yes, I know that it is possible to modify the FMs, DMs and anything else you want to modify in Il2 for your own benefit, though most of these mods fall foul of the CRT2, but most of the bigger mod communities are as keen to avoid cheating as I believe you are yourself, indeed, on one of the main multiplayer mod sites it is a bannable offence to talk about modifying the FMs of stock aircraft.

Insuber · #2 10-31-2009, 06:40 PM

Kwiatek,

I didn't know the expression "czech error", but to all good willing people who want to "correct" DM and FM "mistakes", I can tell another figure of speech:

you are throwing out the baby with the bath water.

http://idioms.thefreedictionary.com/...the+bath+water

Regards,
Insuber

TheGrunch · #3 10-31-2009, 06:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Insuber

Kwiatek,

I didn't know the expression "czech error", but to all good willing people who want to "correct" DM and FM "mistakes", I can tell another figure of speech:

you are throwing out the baby with the bath water.

http://idioms.thefreedictionary.com/...the+bath+water

Regards,
Insuber

I don't see how correcting an ahistorical handling trait by fixing a typo in an FM is "throwing the baby out with the bath water".

ramstein · #4 10-31-2009, 07:08 PM

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Originally Posted by TheGrunch

I don't see how correcting an ahistorical handling trait by fixing a typo in an FM is "throwing the baby out with the bath water".

so, what we get is flying a broken miserable flying plane, with a nice skin, or a decent flying machine with a nice skin...

without the fix these planes are worthless,,, and the people that are pissed are the people who fly the enemy side of the war, because they lost the advantage of having a plane that wasn't porked, stomping the crap out of the plane that was always porked..

booo hooo, shed me a tear..

thanx to some good people these injustices are being being resolved and corrected..

Bulgarian · #5 10-31-2009, 07:08 PM

@Kwiatek,
I see your motives and understand them,I cannot question them but I also believe that some of the actions you took are wrong.
Anyway,we at DT do know very well what in this game is in need of correction and it's not only the flight;damage;weapon models.Far more things beyond the "modder" knowledge have to be corrected/updated in IL-2.
My advice to the whole modding community is to restrict their attempts to "fix" the "hard code" things like the flight model (for example).You cannot calculate the polars,so basically you're doing nothing.Leave the things as they are,because this way you're bringing more harm than help here.
I will repeat that DT knows better than anyone,what has to be done and we have the best data to back up our actions.If you want something to be fixed,report it to us and do not fix it by yourselves.
This is the correct way for something to be "fixed" in IL-2,if it can be called that way.

@David603,

I see that this type of things are not clear to you,I'll be more than happy to enlight you for some of them via PM or e-mail,but this topic is not the place for this type of discussions.

Baron · #6 11-01-2009, 08:11 AM

I wonder if the people raving about the "fix" for the P-51 (FM and API) really understand the impact such changes to 1 plane does to the gameplay as a whole?

All thats left is the wing sheere in high speed manouvers and we will have a real clown wagon in the game. (Lerches new cousin maby?)

I met lots of P-51 online who doesnt seem to have any problems whatsoever, flown correctly blue side cant even tuch it.

Im not saying the changes isnt needed but if one changes 1 ac all the rest needs to be fixed to, and i do mean ALL.

All the "faults" are there for a reason, at least thats what i think.

Easy fix: Change the visibillity of 50 cal tracers and include a readme on joystick settings and 99% will think P-51 is completly reworked.

Keep up the good work DT and see u soon in SoW.

II/JG54_Emil · #7 11-01-2009, 11:55 AM

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Originally Posted by Bulgarian

@Kwiatek,
I see your motives and understand them,I cannot question them but I also believe that some of the actions you took are wrong.
Anyway,we at DT do know very well what in this game is in need of correction and it's not only the flight;damage;weapon models.Far more things beyond the "modder" knowledge have to be corrected/updated in IL-2.
My advice to the whole modding community is to restrict their attempts to "fix" the "hard code" things like the flight model (for example).You cannot calculate the polars,so basically you're doing nothing.Leave the things as they are,because this way you're bringing more harm than help here.
I will repeat that DT knows better than anyone,what has to be done and we have the best data to back up our actions.If you want something to be fixed,report it to us and do not fix it by yourselves.
This is the correct way for something to be "fixed" in IL-2,if it can be called that way.

@David603,

I see that this type of things are not clear to you,I'll be more than happy to enlight you for some of them via PM or e-mail,but this topic is not the place for this type of discussions.

May be it´s not clear that nothing has been fixed or replaced but FM have been "corrected" and named different.
In Ultrapack we still have the stock FM by Oleg and additionally the "corrected" versions by Kwiatek.

I personally think that Kwiatek has done an excellent job on the Focke Wulfs and the Spit MkI and Bf109 E1, E3, and E4. as far as I can comare them to historical data and IL2 compare.

However, if you have substantial and maybe even constructive critics, I invite you over to Ultrapack forum to discuss what went wrong with Kwiateks reworking.
There is a thread in the FM topic where you can see the data in IL2 compare.

Best regards,
Emil

Bulgarian · #8 11-01-2009, 12:13 PM

Emil,did you bothered to read between the lines in my post?

Also please remove the link leading to the site with unauthorised content,it's not appropriate posting it here.

Thank you.

II/JG54_Emil · #9 11-01-2009, 01:14 PM

Yes I did.

Did you bother readig between my lines?

Anyhow the invitation still stands especially if a constructive discussion comes out of it.

I know you have a hard time with mods for some reason.
And I do understand your reasons and would underline many of them.

Yet still you(TD) have the chance to correct errors in the FMs DMs etc. and you did with some of them.
I would appreciate if you took a closer look at what Kwiatek did and would at least consider his councel. I personally think he did a great great job there.
The only problem is that his models aren´t standart.

I would love to see all FMs to be as historical correct as possible.

TD has the chance to do that finally.

Thank you for your attention.

Bulgarian · #10 11-01-2009, 02:56 PM

Hello Emil,
if you and others at UP have any ideas and suggestions about this type of requests toward DT,please send your constructive ideas and request list to DT e-mail.
And I'm sorry but I'll have to refuse your kind offer toward me to visit your boards and discuss,because I personally don't have neither the will or the physical time to do this.

Best reguards,
Bulgarian.