Daidalos Team's Room -QUESTIONS AND REQUESTS ONLY on IL2 Authorized Addons

[TheGrunch]

Originally Posted by Bulgarian

Kwiatek,where you say you got this information from?
What do you mean by "I tested it and it really works"...You did some unauthorised game modification?

PS:Also what do you mean by "czech error"?

Sorry but a lot of unclear things I see in your post.

Kwiatek makes FMs for mods. I think Czech error is a direct translation of a figure of speech, doesn't really work as a figure of speech in English. Possibly refers to the typo that a Czech company made that caused internet outages all over the world.
Anyway, every source I can see states the length of the P-51D as 32ft 3in, which is about 9.83m, so if it's wrong in the FM data, I don't see why it shouldn't be changed.

[Bulgarian]

Originally Posted by TheGrunch

Kwiatek makes FMs for mods. I think Czech error is a direct translation of a figure of speech, doesn't really work as a figure of speech in English. Possibly refers to the typo that a Czech company made that caused internet outages all over the world.
Anyway, every source I can see states the length of the P-51D as 32ft 3in, which is about 9.83m, so if it's wrong in the FM data, I don't see why it shouldn't be changed.

Well,if he's taking unauthorised actions over the FM/DM files of this game,then he should know that it is not very appropriate to come over the official boards of the game developer with this type of information.
Also as such,he should know very well that the P-47 and P-51 are not the only planes who are experiencing flaws in their flight and damage models.
There are German,British,Japanese,Italian,etc planes who have such problems aswell,so this post of his does sound a bit one sided.
Also I'm very sure that Kwiatek knows,that the "hacked" version of the game is coming with unofficially reworked FM/DM's,who differ from the original ones.This is one of the hundred risks that the end user is taking when he chooses to use the broken code,and if this error is present in the P-51 FM,then it might be coming from there./I talk from myself/experience in this paragraph/

Anyway,Daidalos Team knows very well what's right and what's not in this game and be sure that we're doing whatever we can to make this game better,and that this report will be checked.

EDIT:About the "Czech error" thing,I think that it's not good idea to use something that most people will not understand and also which cannot be well translated exactly to the language you're talking.Please take in account that the bigger part of DT are Czech.

[David603]

Originally Posted by Bulgarian

Well,if he's taking unauthorised actions over the FM/DM files of this game,then he should know that it is not very appropriate to come over the official boards of the game developer with this type of information.
Also as such,he should know very well that the P-47 and P-51 are not the only planes who are experiencing flaws in their flight and damage models.
There are German,British,Japanese,Italian,etc planes who have such problems aswell,so this post of his does sound a bit one sided.
Also I'm very sure that Kwiatek knows,that the "hacked" version of the game is coming with unofficially reworked FM/DM's,who differ from the original ones.This is one of the hundred risks that the end user is taking when he chooses to use the broken code,and if this error is present in the P-51 FM,then it might be coming from there./I talk from myself/experience in this paragraph/

Anyway,Daidalos Team knows very well what's right and what's not in this game and be sure that we're doing whatever we can to make this game better,and that this report will be checked.

Not all the Mods involve changed FMs for "stock" aircraft, infact many of the bigger mod communities forbid this, and insist that if you want to alter the FM of one of the aircraft that come in the non-modded version of the game then you must make a new-slot version of it with the new FM, allowing users to choose between the modded and unmodded versions of the plane when setting up maps for play on and offline.

[Bulgarian]

Hello David603,
I know very well what I'm talking about,and I bet you do too.
There's no reason to play blind here.

[David603]

Originally Posted by Bulgarian

Hello David603,
I know very well what I'm talking about,and I bet you do too.
There's no reason to play blind here.

Yes, I know that it is possible to modify the FMs, DMs and anything else you want to modify in Il2 for your own benefit, though most of these mods fall foul of the CRT2, but most of the bigger mod communities are as keen to avoid cheating as I believe you are yourself, indeed, on one of the main multiplayer mod sites it is a bannable offence to talk about modifying the FMs of stock aircraft.

[Insuber]

Kwiatek,

I didn't know the expression "czech error", but to all good willing people who want to "correct" DM and FM "mistakes", I can tell another figure of speech:

you are throwing out the baby with the bath water.


http://idioms.thefreedictionary.com/...the+bath+water


Regards,
Insuber

[TheGrunch]

Originally Posted by Insuber

Kwiatek,

I didn't know the expression "czech error", but to all good willing people who want to "correct" DM and FM "mistakes", I can tell another figure of speech:

you are throwing out the baby with the bath water.


http://idioms.thefreedictionary.com/...the+bath+water


Regards,
Insuber

I don't see how correcting an ahistorical handling trait by fixing a typo in an FM is "throwing the baby out with the bath water".

[Bulgarian]

@Kwiatek,
I see your motives and understand them,I cannot question them but I also believe that some of the actions you took are wrong.
Anyway,we at DT do know very well what in this game is in need of correction and it's not only the flight;damage;weapon models.Far more things beyond the "modder" knowledge have to be corrected/updated in IL-2.
My advice to the whole modding community is to restrict their attempts to "fix" the "hard code" things like the flight model (for example).You cannot calculate the polars,so basically you're doing nothing.Leave the things as they are,because this way you're bringing more harm than help here.
I will repeat that DT knows better than anyone,what has to be done and we have the best data to back up our actions.If you want something to be fixed,report it to us and do not fix it by yourselves.
This is the correct way for something to be "fixed" in IL-2,if it can be called that way.

@David603,

I see that this type of things are not clear to you,I'll be more than happy to enlight you for some of them via PM or e-mail,but this topic is not the place for this type of discussions.

[Baron]

I wonder if the people raving about the "fix" for the P-51 (FM and API) really understand the impact such changes to 1 plane does to the gameplay as a whole?

All thats left is the wing sheere in high speed manouvers and we will have a real clown wagon in the game. (Lerches new cousin maby?)

I met lots of P-51 online who doesnt seem to have any problems whatsoever, flown correctly blue side cant even tuch it.


Im not saying the changes isnt needed but if one changes 1 ac all the rest needs to be fixed to, and i do mean ALL.

All the "faults" are there for a reason, at least thats what i think.


Easy fix: Change the visibillity of 50 cal tracers and include a readme on joystick settings and 99% will think P-51 is completly reworked.



Keep up the good work DT and see u soon in SoW.

[II/JG54_Emil]

Originally Posted by Bulgarian

@Kwiatek,
I see your motives and understand them,I cannot question them but I also believe that some of the actions you took are wrong.
Anyway,we at DT do know very well what in this game is in need of correction and it's not only the flight;damage;weapon models.Far more things beyond the "modder" knowledge have to be corrected/updated in IL-2.
My advice to the whole modding community is to restrict their attempts to "fix" the "hard code" things like the flight model (for example).You cannot calculate the polars,so basically you're doing nothing.Leave the things as they are,because this way you're bringing more harm than help here.
I will repeat that DT knows better than anyone,what has to be done and we have the best data to back up our actions.If you want something to be fixed,report it to us and do not fix it by yourselves.
This is the correct way for something to be "fixed" in IL-2,if it can be called that way.

@David603,

I see that this type of things are not clear to you,I'll be more than happy to enlight you for some of them via PM or e-mail,but this topic is not the place for this type of discussions.

May be it´s not clear that nothing has been fixed or replaced but FM have been "corrected" and named different.
In Ultrapack we still have the stock FM by Oleg and additionally the "corrected" versions by Kwiatek.

I personally think that Kwiatek has done an excellent job on the Focke Wulfs and the Spit MkI and Bf109 E1, E3, and E4. as far as I can comare them to historical data and IL2 compare.

However, if you have substantial and maybe even constructive critics, I invite you over to Ultrapack forum to discuss what went wrong with Kwiateks reworking.
There is a thread in the FM topic where you can see the data in IL2 compare.

Best regards,
Emil