BF109G What's the point ?

[Panzergranate]

The Bf.109-G series was more of a bomber killer intended to combat the B-17 and B-24 bombers intruding over German airspace in vast numbers.

The feeble armament of the Bf.109-E and F was inadequate to have much effect against the dreaded "Viermots".

Likewise for the armoured and clumsy Fw.190-F8.

Not all Luftwaffe fighters were for dogfighting with other fighters, some were for the primary fighter role of killing bombers.

[FOZ_1983]

bomber killer

[Panzergranate]

Originally Posted by FOZ_1983

bomber killer

Well I am good at it....

To kill a B-17 concentrate fire on the wing area outside of the outer engines where it is weakest. Helps if your fighter carries a lot of cannon firepower.

Ideal attack is to follow Luftwaffe practice for attacking "Viermotts" and to attack so as to straffe at right angles from wing tip to wing tip.

In rear attacks wide barrel roll during initail approach so that defensive gunners struggle to hit you, at about 50 metres / yards, perform a tight barrel roll whilst firing and watch bomber go down.

The gunners will be very, very lucky to actually hit you if you use this tactic.

Exploit range advantage with cannon equiped fighters, HMGs don't shoot as far as cannons.

Exploit blind spots in bomber defences.

[Hrok81]

Originally Posted by Panzergranate

The Bf.109-G series was more of a bomber killer intended to combat the B-17 and B-24 bombers intruding over German airspace in vast numbers.

The feeble armament of the Bf.109-E and F was inadequate to have much effect against the dreaded "Viermots".

Likewise for the armoured and clumsy Fw.190-F8.

Not all Luftwaffe fighters were for dogfighting with other fighters, some were for the primary fighter role of killing bombers.

What you say true, but don't forget Bf-109G was designed to adapt to many different tasks, even dogfighting.
Erich Hartmann flew Bf-109G only (maybe a stuka earlier?) and scored that amazing number of kills, many being fighter planes.

That said, I still prefer Bf-109F. Or put in another way, I can't fly Bf-109G lol.

[mattmanB182]

Thats very strange. The F couldnt knock a duck out of the sky with that armament. I have tried it again and again. I will stick to blowing Spits apart with the K.

[DoraNine]

I agree with Mattman -- give me firepower everytime. The K model is like a rocket with cannons. The F is a good "dogfighter", but you have to nibble on your opponents awhile before they'll die. The F may be considered the "Best handling" of the 109 Series -- but many confuse this with being "The Best" all around variant. The G-10 was probably the best all around variant -- on paper anyway. The F was woefully under-armed.

[Voyager]

The G-2 has a more powerful engine, and I believe it had somewhat better armour than the F-4. The MG151/20 20mm cannon used on the 109F and G's has significantly better ballistics and performance than the MG FF cannon used on the BF-109E.

The G-6 trades the 7.9mm machine guns for 13mm MGs, adds heavier armour, and they we designed to accept field and factory modification kits. Most of those kits were either 20mm or 30mm cannons mounted in underwing gondolas, and as the MK108 production spooled up, they started getting 30mm nose guns too. Generally, for bomber busting, you're talking about a plane armed with 3x30mm MK108 cannon and 2x13mm MG131 machine guns, and maybe an AtA bomb.

On the Eastern front, didn't the 109's tend to operate clean, i.e. without the gondolas?

How was the G-10 the best 109? My understanding was that the G-10s were used 109G's that had been re-manufactured up to 109K-4 standards.

Harry Voyager

[DoraNine]

Originally Posted by Voyager

How was the G-10 the best 109? My understanding was that the G-10s were used 109G's that had been re-manufactured up to 109K-4 standards.
Harry Voyager

True -- they were remanufactured air frames, but improved. The G-10 was an attempt at restoring the 109 series as a dogfighter. It was the fastest of the G series machines, and was a much better dogfighter than the heavier, poor handling K models. With near the speed of the K, and near the firepower of the G6, and better handling than both -- what is not to like?

Bear in mind -- this is just my opinion -- as I don't believe any one plane can be declared the best model or series of the war. I'm just saying that if I had a choice of going up against the allied planes in 1944-45 in a 109 -- the G-10 would be my personal choice.

[FOZ_1983]

E,G,K - all the same to me

nice targets to shoot down with my huricane/spitfire



Though - from a nuetral point of view and a guy that only flies the allied planes, on the odd occasion i have had to use a 109 i've found the later models to be a bit sluggish. They can BnZ but then its not a game of skill if two of you are flying head on guns blazing, its now turned into luck.

Basically, i found the "E" to dogfight well with early war year planes, but as the years progress and so do the models, i find the 109 gets heavier and more sluggish, yet powerful.

Still - in the hands of a good axis pilot im sure it can be a superb machine.

[Hrok81]

Originally Posted by DoraNine

True -- they were remanufactured air frames, but improved. The G-10 was an attempt at restoring the 109 series as a dogfighter. It was the fastest of the G series machines, and was a much better dogfighter than the heavier, poor handling K models. With near the speed of the K, and near the firepower of the G6, and better handling than both -- what is not to like?
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Personally I don't like the fact I haven't unlocked it yet
Seriously, look forward to try it.