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Old 10-17-2009, 02:35 AM
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Why do you still think the tipping over is a glitch? I don't understand, do you not have to deal with weight transfer when wheel braking in IL2 1946?

It makes perfect sense to me. Its like heavy breaking on a bicycle with all your weight over the front wheel. You will be ok if you still going quite fast, but once you slow to a certain speed you will fly over the handle bars if you don't ease up on the brakes.

So don't brake until you have all your wheels down on the ground without hopping. Then add the brakes and raise the elevator. I tend to pump the brakes like on a car without ABS, and when around 35mph I let it coast for a bit until the tipping zone has passed then I just floor the brake. Works every time, unless I make a stupid mistake which usually only happens during Sim CTA games were i'm rushing my landing too much.
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Old 10-17-2009, 05:00 AM
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Well, it sounds like to get around another glitch, the devs wired the brakes "always on" such that the player has no control over them.

People keep saying, there are no brakes in BoP, but if the planes are anything like they are in Il-2 1946, there is no way that they could stop without hard breaking, and the planes in Il-2 1946 most definitely will pitch if you do it wrong:

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Old 10-17-2009, 05:39 AM
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The nosing over is a glitch. It happens too easily. 1946 will let you nose over if you overuse the brakes, but in BOP it is really messed up.

Suggesting this game has landing mechanics right is suggesting that the developers of IL2 1946 have it wrong - which is simply not likely at all.

Needs fixing big time.
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Old 10-17-2009, 10:09 PM
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Why do you still think the tipping over is a glitch? I don't understand, do you not have to deal with weight transfer when wheel braking in IL2 1946?

It makes perfect sense to me. Its like heavy breaking on a bicycle with all your weight over the front wheel. You will be ok if you still going quite fast, but once you slow to a certain speed you will fly over the handle bars if you don't ease up on the brakes.
How can it be braking, when this happens when using a flightstick which doesnt have the ability to brake until the patch?
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Old 10-17-2009, 11:10 PM
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How can it be braking, when this happens when using a flightstick which doesnt have the ability to brake until the patch?
I don't know, It never happens to me when I don't brake. Raising the elevator stops it. Maybe you are trying to land on ruff land ?
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Old 10-17-2009, 11:18 PM
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I used to have the tipping problem... But I realised what I was doing wrong. I would try to go "force" the back wheels to stay on the ground by using my elevators. That was only making the problem worse, so when I stopped using elevators on landing, and let the plane come down on it's own, it wouldn't tip. Try this and see if it helps.
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Old 10-17-2009, 11:51 PM
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I used to have the tipping problem... But I realised what I was doing wrong. I would try to go "force" the back wheels to stay on the ground by using my elevators. That was only making the problem worse, so when I stopped using elevators on landing, and let the plane come down on it's own, it wouldn't tip. Try this and see if it helps.
I think this actually is the problem. People try to force the tail down even when it still has lift. I'm guessing this'll make it bump up, crashing the nose into the ground.
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Old 10-18-2009, 12:13 AM
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Dunno.. I do force the tail down to shift my center of gravity, but only when my speed is low enough not to create more lift when you change the pitch of the wings.. If you are going too fast when you put the tail down, the change in pitch of the wing will gather more air than when horizontal, and the plane will try to lift off the ground again, causing a stall, then you nose over in a low level stall. So, you MUST be going slow enough to NOT lift the wings when you change the pitch of the plane when you push the tail down...


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I think this actually is the problem. People try to force the tail down even when it still has lift. I'm guessing this'll make it bump up, crashing the nose into the ground.
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Old 10-18-2009, 12:25 AM
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Which is why you should let the rear wheel come down on its own and when its ready
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Old 10-18-2009, 12:26 AM
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The lift vector of a horizontal stabilizer is down... counter to the lift vector of the wings. Sounds like maybe this specific aircraft design had a tendency to tail stall in ground effect?

I don't know anything about this airraft but what everyone is describing sounds like a tail stall to me.
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