Interview with Finnish Top Ace Ilmari Juutilainen 94 victories

[Swagger7]

Yeah, the Brewster kinda sucked if you look at its statistics, but the Finns manage to sweep the skies with them. One Finnish Buffalo even holds the record of the most kills per individual airplane, 40 I believe.

Edit: Now I want a Finnish Buffalo in DLC!

[Soviet Ace]

Originally Posted by mattmanB182

Yes that is a very good read! I havent finished yet though.

Question: Is that Brewster the same one that was called the "Buffalo" in the states? I cant believe you could actually get kills with that thing.

Actually, in the Pacific. The Buffalo did fairly well against the earlier Japanese planes such as the A5M, and others. But the Zero just tore into them as usual, and so the Buffalo was no longer used as a main stream fighter, except. The Marines actually used them at Midway Island, and even though they were all shot down. They did have the success of downing ten or so Zeros before they were all shot down.

Originally Posted by Swagger7

Yeah, the Brewster kinda sucked if you look at its statistics, but the Finns manage to sweep the skies with them. One Finnish Buffalo even holds the record of the most kills per individual airplane, 40 I believe.

Edit: Now I want a Finnish Buffalo in DLC!

Well this, yes your right. Though the Buffalo was heavier than the LaGG-3 (which was the main Russian fighter during the Winter War), the Buffalo could almost out perform the LaGG-3 because of its low powered engine, and the frame being of, how could I put this? Less than reasonable structure (there was a reason they were called the laminated coffins.) they suffered greatly against the Buffalo. It wasn't until the Yak-1 was introduced into the conflict, that the Buffalo's suffered heavy losses and by that time, the war had already been successful on the ground for Russian troops.

And the only difference between a Finnish Buffalo and an American Buffalo, is I believe the engine? Also I think some of the armaments as well?

[Swagger7]

Originally Posted by Soviet Ace

Actually, in the Pacific. The Buffalo did fairly well against the earlier Japanese planes such as the A5M, and others. But the Zero just tore into them as usual, and so the Buffalo was no longer used as a main stream fighter, except. The Marines actually used them at Midway Island, and even though they were all shot down. They did have the success of downing ten or so Zeros before they were all shot down.



Well this, yes your right. Though the Buffalo was heavier than the LaGG-3 (which was the main Russian fighter during the Winter War), the Buffalo could almost out perform the LaGG-3 because of its low powered engine, and the frame being of, how could I put this? Less than reasonable structure (there was a reason they were called the laminated coffins.) they suffered greatly against the Buffalo. It wasn't until the Yak-1 was introduced into the conflict, that the Buffalo's suffered heavy losses and by that time, the war had already been successful on the ground for Russian troops.

And the only difference between a Finnish Buffalo and an American Buffalo, is I believe the engine? Also I think some of the armaments as well?

Actually I just meant a Buffalo in Finnish markings. They were pretty much the same airplane. And I'm pretty sure that the only engagement of Buffaloes vs the Japanese (at least in American hands) was the one at Midway you talked about. So I'm not sure where they could have shot down older Japanese planes, unless someone we exported them to used them against the Japanese?

[FOZ_1983]

The buffalo got about quite a bit the dirty little tart haha

finland used them to great sucess against the dirty ruski's americans used them at midway (not through choice i dont think) the RAF had them in asia and the dutch used the in the easit indies.

they were outclassed though by the zero. That plane was a beast!!! just very easy to go down if taking hits

[mattmanB182]

Wonder what would have happened if a Zero got into the crosshairs of a BF109k-4.?


Here is a Wiki on the Buffalo
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brewster_Buffalo

[FOZ_1983]

Originally Posted by mattmanB182

Wonder what would have happened if a Zero got into the crosshairs of a BF109k-4.?


Here is a Wiki on the Buffalo
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brewster_Buffalo

Whats the scenario?


head on at the same height? high or low? Does one have height over the over and on his 6?

Whatever the scenario...... i would have to take the zero. It lacks armour but has sufficient guns and can manouvre better than the 109K.

Like i said though..... all depends on the scenario

would be a good fight to see.

[Soviet Ace]

Originally Posted by Swagger7

Actually I just meant a Buffalo in Finnish markings. They were pretty much the same airplane. And I'm pretty sure that the only engagement of Buffaloes vs the Japanese (at least in American hands) was the one at Midway you talked about. So I'm not sure where they could have shot down older Japanese planes, unless someone we exported them to used them against the Japanese?

Like FOZ said, the RAF used them in Asia, as well as the Dutch. And that is where they went up against some A5Ms. Not for long, but they did use them briefly against them.

Originally Posted by FOZ_1983

The buffalo got about quite a bit the dirty little tart haha

finland used them to great sucess against the dirty ruski's americans used them at midway (not through choice i dont think) the RAF had them in asia and the dutch used the in the easit indies.

they were outclassed though by the zero. That plane was a beast!!! just very easy to go down if taking hits

Well all they had at Midway were Buffalos I believe, and like all Marines. They prefer to use the old technology; and somehow they get a better performance out of them.

Originally Posted by FOZ_1983

Whats the scenario?


head on at the same height? high or low? Does one have height over the over and on his 6?

Whatever the scenario...... i would have to take the zero. It lacks armour but has sufficient guns and can manouvre better than the 109K.

Like i said though..... all depends on the scenario

would be a good fight to see.

It also depends on the which Zero your talking about? If your talking about the A6M2 Zero, it would probably have a hard time working against the K4. And if you talking about the M3, you'd also have trouble if you were flying the M3. The M5, is probably the only one capable of doing some hurt on the K4. But probably the best Japanese plane to go against a K4 would be the Ki-61 Tony or the Ki-100 (which is a radial version of the Ki-61 Tony).

And it really does depend on altitude. At low to medium altitude, the Zero or Ki-61/100 would probably own the 109K4, but at higher altitudes the K4 might have a better shot. But actually, the Ki-100 might give the K4 a run for its money since it could match a 109F series in altitude. At least on paper it seems like it could.