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Old 10-11-2009, 12:06 PM
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It was destined to be flown by hitler youth...plentiful and expendable
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Old 10-11-2009, 12:13 PM
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It was destined to be flown by hitler youth...plentiful and expendable
Thought so. Could have sworn I'd heard it referred to as "The Hitler Youth Fighter" on some show once.

Really, Hitler is to blame for his jet program's lack of impact. He's the one that saw the Me-262 and said "There should be a bomber version". Who sees their country being levelled by massive bomber formations, looks at the most advanced fighter aircraft up to that point and thinks 'Im going to split resources to make a bomber variant when resources are already scarce to begin with' ?

But then again, Hitler's reign is marred by several terrible military decisions. Who invades Russia? Has that ever turned out well for anyone that has tried? lol
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Old 10-11-2009, 01:12 PM
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Thought so. Could have sworn I'd heard it referred to as "The Hitler Youth Fighter" on some show once.

Really, Hitler is to blame for his jet program's lack of impact. He's the one that saw the Me-262 and said "There should be a bomber version". Who sees their country being levelled by massive bomber formations, looks at the most advanced fighter aircraft up to that point and thinks 'Im going to split resources to make a bomber variant when resources are already scarce to begin with' ?

But then again, Hitler's reign is marred by several terrible military decisions. Who invades Russia? Has that ever turned out well for anyone that has tried? lol
The Russian invasion would've worked out better if he went with Operation Sea Lion beforehand.
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Old 10-11-2009, 08:18 PM
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The Russian invasion would've worked out better if he went with Operation Sea Lion beforehand.
he did try...
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Old 10-11-2009, 08:23 PM
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he did try...
And failed.
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Old 10-12-2009, 12:36 AM
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he did try...
The shift from military to civilian targets killed the chance for Sea Lion. If the Germans kept the focus on the RAF combined with the U-boat press a ground war in Great Britian would've been a quick win for the Germans.

Which in turn would've prevented operation Torch, thus keeping the full Nazi resources focused in Russia, rather than in three directions.
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Old 10-12-2009, 04:30 AM
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The shift from military to civilian targets killed the chance for Sea Lion. If the Germans kept the focus on the RAF combined with the U-boat press a ground war in Great Britian would've been a quick win for the Germans.

Which in turn would've prevented operation Torch, thus keeping the full Nazi resources focused in Russia, rather than in three directions.
Many people do not realize that Hitler could have easily done this. If he had some decent common sense he could have won the war.
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Old 10-12-2009, 07:23 AM
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The funny thing about the 162 being the "Hitler Youth Fighter" was that it wound up being a bitch to fly and needed an experienced pilot, which was really counter-productive to the whole cheap & expendable thing!

I'm not sure if Hitler could have won the war even if he pulled off Sea Lion. Unless I'm seriously mistaken, there weren't that many German soldiers waiting on the French coast by the time Russia was invaded. Probably far fewer than would have been needed to garrison Britain! The only real advantage Hitler would have gained from taking England would be protection from bombers. (Unless the presence of the Germans in the UK scared the Irish into the arms of the Allies) This is providing of course that the US still entered the war.

Also, in the real war, Germany didn't come near to wiping out the USSR. Even if they took Moscow, the Wehrmacht would still have only held 10% or so of Russian territory. And the Russians had that huge army in the east to protect against Japanese attack. They could have sent that into battle if the Germans had advanced any farther.

I think taking England would have certainly prolonged the war, but Hitler was pretty much screwed the moment he decided to f**k with the Russkies. You can't take on a country with that much more resources and people with much hope of winning.
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Old 10-12-2009, 11:17 AM
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Many people do not realize that Hitler could have easily done this. If he had some decent common sense he could have won the war.
If he had some decent common sense? Dude, that guy was a genius. Guess he just lost track of it somewhere.
(No, I'm not pro-Hitler, it's just a fact he's brilliant, look at what he accomplished)
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Old 10-11-2009, 12:14 PM
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It only flew for about seven minutes, so it's not like they'd get shot down a lot before the engine quit. Then they had to glide down and land on the ski, since they dropped their landing gear on take-off. Don't think ejecting was their biggest concern .
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