Communism at its best...

[Rufus_the_Rat]

Originally Posted by Kamak86

I am an honest person, I work hard for my money. I am 23 years old, i had cancer when i was 13, and went though the harsh reality of chemo therapy. To say to a little boy or little girl that you must wait for treatment because of this new healthcare system is totally insane. I dont want to see handouts or bailouts because they dont work. If you want money, then work, if you still need money WORK HARDER. Now i havent read this healthcare bill, but if says anything relating about having to delay cancer treatment i will be pissed. The law makers who have come up with this bill and if they put that in there, they should take a stroll into an Chemotherapy treatment area.....if someone can say "sorry sweetie you going to have to wait in line to get chemo because the company hasnt made enough this month" to a person because they have cancer. They do not deserve their life. "Kamak86 your an idiot and being extreme!" Well to you i say "You walk a in a shoes of a cancer patient or someone who has cancer" I feel very strongly because everyday i wake up thinking if and when is cancer or a secondary cancer going to return. Or the long term side effects.... Bottom line is work for your damn money, people looking for handouts and bailouts or stimulus checks are just plain lazy.

Tell me, who paid for your private cancer treatment at age 13? Was it your full time job earning $50,000 a year?

[Soviet Ace]

Originally Posted by l88bastard

Ace, I like you, so I will be frank. You and I both know that the US did not have trouble in Vietnam, Iraq and Afganistan because its military is weak. The US struggles and continues to struggle in those conficts because of the politics. We could and should have leveled Vietnam, Irag, and Afganistan with months and months of insatiable bombing before we even let one soldier set foot on the soil and I am not even going nuclear here. The problem is, the political fallout from all of the civilian casualties would have been a PR nightmare. Our military and the soviets and the brits military all have the capability to make short work of most of the worlds dictator problems and you know it. And don't go saying im an american prick, because right now my money is on the Russians for being the dominant up and comer in this new fucked up planet.

Also, dont go on and on about the guerilla warefare in Vietnam, the americans invented guerilla two hundred years before nam, just go ask the brits about that one. And also, the US continues on with guerilla warefare, its called the CIA.

Well you can tell that to my uncle and father who both served in the Marines, on the ground in Vietnam and parts of Cambodia actually. The way the US Military is established, is in no order of fighting their current enemies. Just because the US "created" guerrilla warfare, which is actually inaccurate since many nations before did, European History is fascinating when you look WAY back. But anyway, the way the US Military fights it's enemies just doesn't cut it. I never said the military was weak, but the way they operate is. No terrorist is going to fight the military head on like in WW2, but what it will be like and IS! Is that our enemies will probably ruin us Economically rather than guerrilla warfare, or any type of warfare that militaries can be involved. And I believe it's China that is becoming the up and coming Super Power, not Russia?

Originally Posted by l88bastard

Obama is 100% muslim, prove me different? Cause right now, your insulting argument that I am a cretin, just aint cuttin it....I need a little more from you before I can see where you would say he is not a muslim. Granted you are an expert who is obviously highly educated, that I can clearly see in the way you idolize a make believe character from a fiction television show based on pixie dust and UNICORN HORNS! Bravo man, bravo, you are a touch of class now gander over my facts below and try to use that piece of crap you call a brain and get back to me.

Obama prays to mecca, bows to Saudi kings, gives speeches in Cairo praising muslims, publicly denounced his christianity when he walked away from his church of 20 years, he still hasn't selected a church for his children since he has been in office, his father was a muslim, the vast majority of his friends and mentors that have surrounded his life have been islamic and he shits all over Israel....and I am not even jewish so dont even go there.

And Obama, though this may sound like I'm defending him which in a way I am, but not really him. Obama, is not Muslim. He does not believe in the Allah, the Muslim god or any of their beliefs. He goes/did go to a Christian church, but frankly I see Obama as a Atheist right now. If you look back to WW2, when FDR made the deal with the Saudi King to keep his family in power (Saudi Arabia wouldn't be called that if the SAUDI FAMILY WASN'T IN CONTROL), they would supply the US with all the oil they could. BUT! (And this is a reason Osama Bin Laden dislikes the Saudi kingdom) is that ALL AMERICAN PRESIDENTS AFTER FDR KISSED THE SAUDI FAMILY'S ASS. Truman, Eisenhower, JFK, Bush Sr. etc. They all kissed Saudi ass for the oil that they helped produce in a way, by keeping the Saudi Family in power. So saying that Obama is Muslim and every US President since Israel was formed has actually been shitted on by the Israelis.

[M3-SRT8]

Originally Posted by Chips86

Its almost like george bush buying a small iraqi girl a my little pony.

Oh, I love this...

Bush kicks that Stalin Wanna-Be Saadam Hussein a new one, and He's the A$$hole.

Believe me, Iraq is better off without him, regaudless of the reason why we did it.

Now, if they can only get this democracy thing going without killing one another, they might be ok.

LJB

[Swagger7]

Originally Posted by Gilgenbach

Hello,

come to germany mate. It would be nice change to have a highly qualified US American immigrating to our country instead of the usual flood agressive muslim Goatherders with zero qualification.

And you will get medical treatment anywhere for free, even if you have NO health insurance whatsover. Whoever is realy ill, gets treated. No bills for that.

Welcome anytime

Cheers

Rob

Thanks for the invitation!

Germany is definitely on my list of potentials, though I'm not too crazy about the food. If I were to move there I'd have to learn to cook more Mexican food first. Australia looks like the best bet so far, just because it's a great place to be a geologist right now.

[Soviet Ace]

Well I'm moving to Southern Spain! I already know some Spanish, so learning more wont hurt. Plus, I hear they're more open etc. I just need a good place to surf!!!

[Zatoichi_Sanjuro]

Originally Posted by l88bastard

Obama is 100% muslim, prove me different? Cause right now, your insulting argument that I am a cretin, just aint cuttin it....I need a little more from you before I can see where you would say he is not a muslim. Granted you are an expert who is obviously highly educated, that I can clearly see in the way you idolize a make believe character from a fiction television show based on pixie dust and UNICORN HORNS! Bravo man, bravo, you are a touch of class now gander over my facts below and try to use that piece of crap you call a brain and get back to me.

Obama prays to mecca, bows to Saudi kings, gives speeches in Cairo praising muslims, publicly denounced his christianity when he walked away from his church of 20 years, he still hasn't selected a church for his children since he has been in office, his father was a muslim, the vast majority of his friends and mentors that have surrounded his life have been islamic and he shits all over Israel....and I am not even jewish so dont even go there.

The fact that there are people in the U.S. dumb enough to fall for that crap is truly depressing. Hey, did you hear some people say Glenn Beck raped and murdered a young girl in 1990? He refuses to deny it so he *must* be guilty.

[Swagger7]

Originally Posted by l88bastard

Your the one that boasted that you have a "very expensive education," as if the cost is really relevant at all. In fact that statement really made you look like a pompass prick. When I said "real education," I did not mean high school, I meant get a real education! You won't find a REAL EDUCATION in any high school or university, so don't take the term literal. You see history & text books can be re-written, and what you find in universities and places of education is usually a lot of bias. Use your own brain, and think logically. Formal education has nothing to do with being an educated person. And FYI, I hold a masters degree in Economics & Finance, with honors.

Actually, that wasn't a boast, it was a complaint. (As in "After I finish this education that's completely breaking my bank account and work off the debt of student loans I'll probably leave the county") I should have made it clearer, to avoid sounding like a "pompous prick".

Yes, you are right, the history books can be rewritten. I'm studying geology now, but I started as a history major. After taking the five requisite 100 level history courses, the next course is HIS 300, which is Historical Methodology. Basically, that's where you learn how to track down and verify sources, evaluate the historicity of certain claims, etc. So, even if you consider history text books to have been "rewritten" or that they're full of spin, a formal education in history (even just two years) provides you with the ability to evaluate for yourself the validity of a certain position. Similarly, when I switched over to geology, one of the first things we went over was the scientific method (how scientists investigate the validity of claims and generally conduct research). Every new topic covered in my geo classes includes a quick overview of the evidence that demonstrates what we're being taught. (the age of the earth, for example) So, a formal education is beneficial, not necessarily for the material being taught, but for the methodologies you learn for figuring these things out for yourself. Effectively, you gain the ability to "use your brain and think logically" more efficiently and accurately.

Where did you get your MA (or is it an MS?) in Economics & Finance? I'm not saying I don't believe you or anything, I'm just curious.

Here's the thing: What exactly did you gain from getting your degree? I'm sorry, but one thing you clearly didn't learn was how to construct a rational argument. You have made the claim that Obama is the following:

A. A closet Muslim
B. Some sort of spy
C. A puppet who has no real control over the country
D. He encourages people to idolize him
E. He wants to destroy America with debt.
F. He wants to force a crippled America into the EU.

(I think this is a pretty fair listing of the argument you made in your first post. If I have misunderstood any of your claims feel free to correct me.)

The thing is, you made these grandiose and very specific claims without providing a shred of evidence for them. Then, when House called you a moron, you responded with this:

Originally Posted by l88bastard

Obama is 100% muslim, prove me different? Cause right now, your insulting argument that I am a cretin, just aint cuttin it....I need a little more from you before I can see where you would say he is not a muslim. Granted you are an expert who is obviously highly educated, that I can clearly see in the way you idolize a make believe character from a fiction television show based on pixie dust and UNICORN HORNS! Bravo man, bravo, you are a touch of class now gander over my facts below and try to use that piece of crap you call a brain and get back to me.

Obama prays to mecca, bows to Saudi kings, gives speeches in Cairo praising muslims, publicly denounced his christianity when he walked away from his church of 20 years, he still hasn't selected a church for his children since he has been in office, his father was a muslim, the vast majority of his friends and mentors that have surrounded his life have been islamic and he shits all over Israel....and I am not even jewish so dont even go there.

You have failed to provide any evidence for your claim, and yet you expect others to "prove you wrong". This goes against all logic. The burden of proof is on the claimant, and this is something a person with a master's degree should know. If I were to say, "Fairies are real and they control all natural processes on earth" and provide no evidence for this, you would be quite right to call me a complete idiot. You wouldn't need to look under every rock and rotten log on the planet to prove that there's no such thing as fairies before you made fun of me.

In this post I quoted above, you did mention a few things you called "facts" which I assume was an attempt at showing evidence. Let's look at your statements:

Obama prays to mecca -I have no idea how you could possibly know that he faces Mecca and prostrates himself when praying. You either have some amazing access to the presidential bedroom or this is an empty claim.

bows to Saudi kings -He also bowed to Queen Elizabeth, I believe. Does that make him a monarchist? Other US presidents have bowed to the Saudi King before, and GWB sat on a couch with some member of the House of Saud (a prince I think). Are they Muslims as well?

gives speeches in Cairo praising muslims -So? One can have respect for a people without being one of them. I have a great respect for Buddhists, but I am an atheist myself.

publicly denounced his christianity when he walked away from his church of 20 years -I'd consider that walking away from his pastor, not Christianity.

he still hasn't selected a church for his children since he has been in office -Again, so what? Judging by church attendance statistics, most American Christians don't go to church at all either. And he is kind of busy, you know......

his father was a muslim -both my parents are firm Christians. It didn't stick, needless to say. There's no reason to believe that his father, who isn't a very committed Muslim (he married an "infidel"), somehow indoctrinated him and turned him into a superspy.

the vast majority of his friends and mentors that have surrounded his life have been islamic -completely untrue. I'm sorry, but I can't see how you could come to this conclusion after any honest inquiry. You simply made it up, or read it on the 'net and never double checked it.

and he shits all over Israel -This was obviously just a metaphor, but it gave me a hilarious mental image!



Anyways, I've spent way too much time on this claim of yours. If you wish to bring it up again, I'll have to ask that you back up your claim. As a wise man once said, "Provide evidence, or expect laughter and ridicule."

[Swagger7]

Originally Posted by Soviet Ace

Well I'm moving to Southern Spain! I already know some Spanish, so learning more wont hurt. Plus, I hear they're more open etc. I just need a good place to surf!!!

Sounds fun! I wish you a pleasant trip!

PS Look for a cabin on a freighter to get there. It's cheaper than flying & you can take more stuff!

[Swagger7]

Originally Posted by Kamak86

I am an honest person, I work hard for my money. I am 23 years old, i had cancer when i was 13, and went though the harsh reality of chemo therapy. To say to a little boy or little girl that you must wait for treatment because of this new healthcare system is totally insane. I dont want to see handouts or bailouts because they dont work. If you want money, then work, if you still need money WORK HARDER. Now i havent read this healthcare bill, but if says anything relating about having to delay cancer treatment i will be pissed. The law makers who have come up with this bill and if they put that in there, they should take a stroll into an Chemotherapy treatment area.....if someone can say "sorry sweetie you going to have to wait in line to get chemo because the company hasnt made enough this month" to a person because they have cancer. They do not deserve their life. "Kamak86 your an idiot and being extreme!" Well to you i say "You walk a in a shoes of a cancer patient or someone who has cancer" I feel very strongly because everyday i wake up thinking if and when is cancer or a secondary cancer going to return. Or the long term side effects.... Bottom line is work for your damn money, people looking for handouts and bailouts or stimulus checks are just plain lazy.

So it's insane to tell someone they have to wait for treatment, but it's OK to tell them they can't get any treatment at all because they're poor? On the one hand you talk about how important it is to get treatment to people, but then you refuse to allow for any mechanism to help them pay for it. WTF? I'd think waiting in a line for lifesaving medicine is far better than not getting any at all because you're poor.

"WORK HARDER", eh? What about people who can't get any job at all because of the record unemployment? Where exactly are they supposed to work, huh? While I'm pretty poor myself right now because of college expenses, my field of study virtually guarantees that I'll be employed and making $50-60,000 right after I get my MS. I expect to eventually have a six-figure salary. (this is not at all unreasonable in resource geology) My family medical history is remarkably free of cancer & other terminal diseases. The bottom line is that if we had national health care I'd be paying for more than I get out of it, and I still think it's a great idea. This is because I care enough about my fellow human beings to sacrifice a small portion of my income, a few luxuries, to save my fellows who are poor from dying. This is one of the largest problems I have with America today: Americans love their country, but we don't seem to give a shit about our countrymen.

[trk29]

Originally Posted by Soviet Ace

Well I'm moving to Southern Spain! I already know some Spanish, so learning more wont hurt. Plus, I hear they're more open etc. I just need a good place to surf!!!

What is taking you to Spain?