New Graphics Card - GTX 660 non Ti or 7850/7870

[Thee_oddball]

Originally Posted by Stublerone

You can get 45-60 fps with every new card on ultra settings. It depends on your resolution, which you do not mention. Is it ultra preset or custom made up to every ultra setting? Is it with aa, fxaa, msaa or what? You haven't mention a lot of things to come to your ultra fps rate. In real ultra and with everything on highest setting and with a res of 1080p, your card cannot reach that. The only cards who can reach this iste 680 overclocked and the 7970 ghz edition (alsi overclocjed).

So this is misleading. It also depends on multiplayer or singleplayer fps. They are also different. So, your statements with your 660sc is obsolete! Sorry!

ULTRA preset for BF3 @1920X1080 and same rez with settings for CLOD @VERY HIGH (preset) i got an AVG of 36 on black death trk and 32 FPS at roof top level over london. the 660SC is a nice mid range card that can play both games with good picture quality.

[Stublerone]

Avg fps are so unimportant in this case. See, what your minimum fps are is more interesting. bf3: the best cards reach generally about 69fps or something like that. So why should your card should perform that as well? Because it do not? Is 45-65 more 45? That should explain it. Sorry, but I do not understand, why people always add their own opinion in fps to their new gfx cards!?!

For the people it always work 10-20fps better than in officual benchmarks.

BTW: Don't forget to add additional 10-20% of the fps on every 7xxxx series (bf3 = round about 20%) - in newer benchs the ghz editions should be in front of the 680 (nearly equal). Add more speed (overclocked editions or handmade) in the 7xxx series and get another 10-20%.

[Volksieg]

I will say that I am playing BF3 on Ultra settings with fairly great performance (Without AA, though).... CloD is running beautifully but definitely not on very high (A mix of high and medium).

I'm thinking that both may open up a hell of a lot more, performance wise, when I ditch this CPU and mobo and get some serious ram in my case.

[Stublerone]

Ram is unimportant in your rif. The cpu burns the performance in some cases. Bf3 @1080p at 35 is normal value, but you can get higher with the suitable ati. Even a 580 gets that fps.

You can see in your own posts, that your initial advertisement about your video card has proven wrong with your own posts. Please stopp advertising things with 10-20% more performance than it actually has.
It can be, that you are satisfied so far, but if I do not know, which is better, then please do not write down a recommended card. Simple as that! No knowledge should result in no post or in a post with the facts you really can offer him.
Promises are already given by nvidia and should not be completed by you.

Btw: nvidia recently had to state, that another lie was written on the boxes of the 6xx series. They tried to make a fool of you and simply tried to ship around the directx 11.1 problem with software trying to wash the request away. But now you can say, that the stated directx11.1 support does not seem to be available. Cruel truth and I am waiting, what lie they find next.

[Stoli151]

Black death track with my specs fps 52 avg 72 max 8 min. All settings on high or very high, textures original. Improved clouds mod enabled, and hakenkruz. I also have injectSMAA by mrhaandi v 1.2 for DX-10 enabled with jsgme and vsync is enabled as well. SSAO is checked but I don't know what the difference is. Driver version 310.90. Res is at 1920x1080. If its not too late to help. Very satisfied with actual gameplay performance as well, actually actual gameplay is better I've never gotten a min score of 8 like in the track. The 8 was during the many explosions and view changes when the spits on the runway got bombed and it was a very quick drop. Also my card is a ti which is better than the vanilla 660 if you want to spend a little extra and having a better cpu helps as well. I have no experience with ati cards so I can't speak for them. Here's a review, again its the ti but its going against a 7950 both 3rd party OC'd cards but it may help http://techreport.com/review/23981/r...0-ti-revisited

[Stublerone]

That is new 660ti ac3 in comparison to a slightly overclocked 7950. So the already is void. Find other reviews comparing fully overclocked, air cooled models or afd another 20% at least at this test for the ati.

Fly on high res more than 1080p and the card hicks up because of the lack of ram and a interface, which is already 6years old or so...

See the comments. 240 comments seems to be a discussion and this review and tech report already had claims about their professionality way before this review. Not a good side to decide, what to buy.... That is well known in the community.

[Stoli151]

Originally Posted by Stublerone

That is new 660ti ac3 in comparison to a slightly overclocked 7950. So the already is void. Find other reviews comparing fully overclocked, air cooled models or afd another 20% at least at this test for the ati.

Fly on high res more than 1080p and the card hicks up because of the lack of ram and a interface, which is already 6years old or so...

See the comments. 240 comments seems to be a discussion and this review and tech report already had claims about their professionality way before this review. Not a good side to decide, what to buy.... That is well known in the community.

Well I could care less what card he ultimately buys. I just wanted to give him some real performance numbers on this particular game he could use. Which I just got the day I made that post with the latest driver installed. I would hope if I were to ask the same question the radeon owners would post their results as well. I only posted a review I thought would help. This particular line in the review did get my attention "Looking over the listings at Newegg, 7950 cards are going for as little as $299.99. However, only a few other cards can match the Vapor-X's 950MHz boost clock(which sells for $329.99), and they all cost more than the Sapphire" the 660ti was overclocked also at a price of $299.99(this was at the date of review). The comments are useless because no matter what card "wins" there will be tons of "fan boys" of the "losing" card telling you how the review was flawed. Which is probably a reason for me not to post links to reviews in the future, thanks. I have no allegiance to nvidia as it's nothing but a corporation trying to make money from me and if I thought I would get a better deal from radeon I would change over no problems as I have no previous experience with those cards, therefore no negative experiences. However if he were to buy the 660ti not the 660(as stated in the OP), I have a feeling he will be more than satisfied with its performance as my experience thus far has been positive. Although looking at his processor it may be a bottleneck for any new card with this game.

[Stublerone]

I just stated, that a 660ti loses and that the review is incorrect. Although they have brought ac3 version of the 660ti to the market nearly 1 year after lauch of the 7950, it is still no discussion, which card wins. Also the 670 loses, if the test is set up fair. We have this discussion also with magazines here in germany. They have also rated pro nvidia as they are sponsors of the magazines. But in forums, where people are skilled with gfx cards, even the nvidia buyers say, that the 6xxx series undoubtly lost against ati this time. Not much of a problem as both cards are playable, although you buy half of a card at nvidia. So they should be half the price of ati cards.

The only thing is: I see it everywhere -> every nvidia user is directly recommending his card, although they simply do not know, what they are talking about. The facebook mentality forces every poor child to leave comments, which are influencing other people to their opinion and not to facts.

Ati users seem to be a bit different: I do not see that much kids spamming around their senseless comments. Simply, because they all want a nvidia for christmas, not depending on performance, just to have the most expensive nvidia card. And then they do an unboxing video or praise their great rig with a lets play xxxx on Ultra with a 680 oc. Sorry, but the supporters of nvidia are becoming more and more childish to me. I just rely on what information I get from sources, who are really interested in equal chances for both. And I only hear on people, where I can directly see some skill in what he says. I am not an apple buyer!

[vranac]

Originally Posted by Stublerone

I just stated, that a 660ti loses and that the review is incorrect. Although they have brought ac3 version of the 660ti to the market nearly 1 year after lauch of the 7950, it is still no discussion, which card wins. Also the 670 loses, if the test is set up fair. We have this discussion also with magazines here in germany. They have also rated pro nvidia as they are sponsors of the magazines. But in forums, where people are skilled with gfx cards, even the nvidia buyers say, that the 6xxx series undoubtly lost against ati this time. Not much of a problem as both cards are playable, although you buy half of a card at nvidia. So they should be half the price of ati cards.

Yes 660Ti will loose with few percent, but that review pointed out that AMD have problems with drivers and AMD admitted that.Even if fps is bit higher in general it fluctuate a lot more which causees stutters even if fps is good.
And AMD 7000 are much longer on the market.

http://techreport.com/review/24022/d...e-in-windows-8

[Stublerone]

But the oc versions of the 7950 are currently just underperforming. Set the same clocks on the 7950 and you can add another 20-30% on both ends and it destroys the 660, 660ti and the 670 and equals nearly a stock 7970 or a 680.

You do not see the obvious. Nvidia is currently fighting with its higher clocks. And if you push the ati to the limits as nvidia does it with their card, you cab see, that the whole 79xx series beats their nvidia counterparts. And that not only with a slightly difference, but with ahuge difference.

And as the materials of ati cards are currently higher standard and as the card begins very early before frying it to produce glitches as warning. You can directly push it to 1000mhz with sufficient cooling, even with air cooling. If the materials would allow to run on higher temperatures with no look on lifetime, the gap with standard oc possibilities will be even bigger for ati cards.