Double standards on racism..

[Sternjaeger II]

Now this is a very delicate and very hot topic gents, so please act accordingly.

This morning I was pointed to this:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...d-fianc-e.html

and then this:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...st_read_module

I have two considerations to do on this:

1)Moore's racism is not the “white of their eyes” trauma of army fighters. He was in the RAF, and even if they didn’t have direct contact with the enemy, you will hear a lot of RAF veterans enormously respecting their former adversaries. One could object that his resentment is driven by the fact that his girlfriend was killed by a German bombing, but if so what does all the rest of his racism have to do with it? He’s an old man, and as you know as you advance with age you’re less scared (or simply don’t care) about the consequences of voicing your opinion. Despite all that he went through (and there are many who lost their loved ones/relatives etc. during the war, but didn’t necessarily develop such racist resentment), it doesn’t change the fact that he sounds like the sub-product of an old fashioned empire racist mentality of the worst kind.

2) A few months ago two women voiced their racist opinions whilst using the public service in London, someone made a video of them and put them on youtube. The thing went viral, the women was arrested and charged for their words.


I don't understand the logic behind publishing on Radio Times an article about a public figure voicing his delirious racist rant and deem it as acceptable and worth sharing on a printed magazine, whilst firmly condemning the words of those women. Am I missing something?

[Meusli]

Originally Posted by Sternjaeger II

Now this is a very delicate and very hot topic gents, so please act accordingly.

This morning I was pointed to this:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...d-fianc-e.html

and then this:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...st_read_module

I have two considerations to do on this:

1)Moore's racism is not the “white of their eyes” trauma of army fighters. He was in the RAF, and even if they didn’t have direct contact with the enemy, you will hear a lot of RAF veterans enormously respecting their former adversaries. One could object that his resentment is driven by the fact that his girlfriend was killed by a German bombing, but if so what does all the rest of his racism have to do with it? He’s an old man, and as you know as you advance with age you’re less scared (or simply don’t care) about the consequences of voicing your opinion. Despite all that he went through (and there are many who lost their loved ones/relatives etc. during the war, but didn’t necessarily develop such racist resentment), it doesn’t change the fact that he sounds like the sub-product of an old fashioned empire racist mentality of the worst kind.

2) A few months ago two women voiced their racist opinions whilst using the public service in London, someone made a video of them and put them on youtube. The thing went viral, the women was arrested and charged for their words.


I don't understand the logic behind publishing on Radio Times an article about a public figure voicing his delirious racist rant and deem it as acceptable and worth sharing on a printed magazine, whilst firmly condemning the words of those women. Am I missing something?

Patrick Moore is a bore where most of today's rights have simply passed him by. For example his views on women are appalling as well as his views on other subjects as you can see. He simply gets away with it because of his age.

[fruitbat]

regardless of what i feel on the issue, i think that this thread will go down hill (even further) very quickly, and isn't the best idea you've ever had.

[Volksieg]

I ain't touching this one with a ten foot barge pole.

[ATAG_Dutch]

I'd suggest that this thread be immediately locked.

Rules here;

http://forum.1cpublishing.eu/showthread.php?t=1874

[bongodriver]

I don't understand the logic behind publishing on Radio Times an article about a public figure voicing his delirious racist rant and deem it as acceptable and worth sharing on a printed magazine, whilst firmly condemning the words of those women. Am I missing something?

I'm affraid you are missing something Stern, happens all over the world not just the UK, so there was no need to go down the 'sub-product of an old fashioned empire racist mentality of the worst kind.' because it's more or less showing your own prejudice againt the British.

[von Brühl]

It's part of the NWO agenda keeping people's fingers pointing at each others' minor acts, and off the real problems of our corporations running our governments. Why the lady got arrested, and not P. Moore, if I had to guess, his is just general talking, and not directly confrontational with an individual, while her's was ranting directly at people.

Pardon my lack of knowledge, but does England have a "1st amendment" like the U.S.? Is freedom of speech "protected?"

[Kongo-Otto]

Let me quote good ole William S. from Stratford-upon-Avon:
"Much ado about nothing"

[whoarmongar]

I think its simply an age thing. Certain people of his age in say 1900 would have had the same sentiments about the French nation. Wars do this sort of long lasting damage to people and alter their whole outlook on the world for the rest of their lifetimes.

Its not racism as most of western Europes indiginous population are the same race, it should be considered perhaps as nationalism which although not tarred with the same brush is just as poisonous.

Modern Germany should be perhaps held up as an example of how a nation should be run.
A well motivated , well educated population with good rewards, rights and freedoms, a very good export led economy and a well conceived democratic system that certainly seems to work.

However personally If I come into contact with any German pensioner aged about 85 or older, I wonder to myself "What were you doing about 70 yrs ago".
This is probably unfair, but just for that moment I am thinking of "that" time, for people of P Moores age "that" time was lived through and is probably in their thoughts every day.

"lest we forget" is quoted at ceremonies and memorials every year, im sure most who lived through the horrors and losses of war just wish they could forget. Afterall its now history, very soon to be outside the living memory of anyone.

[Sternjaeger II]

Originally Posted by ATAG_Dutch

I'd suggest that this thread be immediately locked.

Rules here;

http://forum.1cpublishing.eu/showthread.php?t=1874

On which grounds exactly?

If you can't face this topic, just don't bother. Same goes for the rest of you with smarmy comments: I asked to act with tact and observing forum rules, if you can't handle it, then simply move on.

Originally Posted by bongodriver

I'm affraid you are missing something Stern, happens all over the world not just the UK, so there was no need to go down the 'sub-product of an old fashioned empire racist mentality of the worst kind.' because it's more or less showing your own prejudice againt the British.

well this is what I was shown by a British colleague who found the whole thing incredibly ridiculous, all I wonder is where is the logic in the different standards towards the two forms of racism.

As for my statement, it's probably due to his words (and I quote)

"‘We must take care. There may be another war. The Germans will try again, given another chance. A Kraut is a Kraut is a Kraut. And the only good Kraut is a dead Kraut.
‘A German general said to me at the end of the war, “You won two wars. You won’t win the third. And that’s the economic war.” I hope he’s wrong.’ "

and

"‘I’m no European. Why? Go to Europe and look around. The Germans tried to conquer us. The French betrayed us. The Belgians did very little and the Italians made us our ice cream.
‘Just look at the world now and look at it when we had a bigger say in it. The English are best. Stand up for England!’ "

I don't doubt we have similar situations all over the world, and please just take this as an example, but again I was wondering what's the take of people on this, is it a dangerous trend? I mean, imagine the journalist and the editor sitting and discussing about the interview.. should this sort of message be allowed to be published?

I'm happy to confront it with other countries, but then for instance in Italy you have politicians being blatantly racist and sexually biased, but there's no effective law on it, so they get away with it.