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IL-2 Sturmovik: Cliffs of Dover Latest instalment in the acclaimed IL-2 Sturmovik series from award-winning developer Maddox Games.

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Old 07-08-2011, 03:44 PM
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fix for tree colours Close & Far. enjoy.

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Old 07-08-2011, 03:46 PM
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thx ali!i was hoping that you would continue with your mod.will try it!
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Old 07-08-2011, 04:07 PM
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fix for tree colours Close & Far. enjoy.

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Nice one Ali, thanks a bunch it looks grand and is far more accurate. I have seen other attempts (and I think it is indeed possible to change aspects of the landscape too, but limited?) I think using the 'Kegetys' thingymajig? (Not a techie).

Only downside is its only for offline, don't fancy getting perma-banned from Steam lol, but excellent for offline in the meantime. Online is rubbish atm anyway, I can't even get sound. Nice one! Finally things are slightly (nah, a lot) more bearable. I'll start flying it again now.
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Old 07-08-2011, 04:13 PM
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improved engine?why does the game look worse in many aspects than it did with the old engine?s
This happens every time new technology is introduced. When first cars appeared on the market they had more flaws than advantages compared to horses: noisy, uncomfortable and broke every 10 km. Only enthusiasts purchased them. First digital cameras produced much worse photos than film ones. Stereoscopic 3D video more often gives you headache instead of enjoyment atm, etc. etc. I do not get why people pretend it is something unusual.

If you are not an enthusiast wait several years till technology is mature enough for you before purchasing the product. I never purchase the 1st product in a new series unless it is my hobby and I am ready to take risks to test new technology on myself being a "test rabbit". But this is completely conscious decision. Some people just tend to blame others for their own decisions I guess.
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Old 07-08-2011, 04:39 PM
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This happens every time new technology is introduced. When first cars appeared on the market they had more flaws than advantages compared to horses: noisy, uncomfortable and broke every 10 km. Only enthusiasts purchased them. First digital cameras produced much worse photos than film ones. Stereoscopic 3D video more often gives you headache instead of enjoyment atm, etc. etc. I do not get why people pretend it is something unusual.

If you are not an enthusiast wait several years till technology is mature enough for you before purchasing the product. I never purchase the 1st product in a new series unless it is my hobby and I am ready to take risks to test new technology on myself being a "test rabbit". But this is completely conscious decision. Some people just tend to blame others for their own decisions I guess.
i dont blame nobody.and i like this sim!i really do enjoy it, because as i already said, it has some features that are way more advanced than in the old il2.like CEM.
but the colours and placement of trees really disturb the immersion.and i think its not a real problem to solve those issues.ali just released his darkertrees mod.try it!the game now looks much better with it.unfortunately the placement is the original and looks like the map has acne.
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Old 07-08-2011, 11:30 AM
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in my opinion the former landscape looks way more natural and convincing, at least for me.
especially the colours and the placement of trees and hedgegrows are in my focus.
I think if modern lighting system is removed from CloD the colours would look the same as in the video, i.e. darker.

We do not have enough clouds or high-altitude overcast ingame to reproduce normal weather and therefore have colours more natural for rare bright sunny days in mid summer when atmosphere is absolutely transparent for sunlight.

When we have hardware to run the weather system or it is optimised enough the lighting would not be as bright and landscape colours would change naturally.

On sunny days colours become very acid. Just Google it
http://3.bp.blogspot.com/--kt3jjW13s...inKurogane.jpg

http://www.wallcoo.net/nature/sz194-...A094_photo.jpg

http://www.wallcoo.net/nature/sz194-...A089_photo.jpg

Open in separate tabs and compare to this or any other CloD screenshot https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-r...5-12_00061.jpg

Thus, I would not dramatize current state of landscape colours based on personal perceptions. Perception depends on what you compare the colours with. Older games just do not have as advanced lighting system and may look darker even without high-alt clouds\overcast which is wrong.

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Old 07-08-2011, 12:05 PM
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I think if modern lighting system is removed from CloD the colours would look the same as in the video, i.e. darker.

We do not have enough clouds or high-altitude overcast ingame to reproduce normal weather and therefore have colours more natural for rare bright sunny days in mid summer when atmosphere is absolutely transparent for sunlight.

When we have hardware to run the weather system or it is optimised enough the lighting would not be as bright and landscape colours would change naturally.

On sunny days colours become very acid. Just Google it
http://3.bp.blogspot.com/--kt3jjW13s...inKurogane.jpg

http://www.wallcoo.net/nature/sz194-...A094_photo.jpg

http://www.wallcoo.net/nature/sz194-...A089_photo.jpg

Open in separate tabs and compare to this or any other CloD screenshot https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-r...5-12_00061.jpg

Thus, I would not dramatize current state of landscape colours based on personal perceptions. Perception depends on what you compare the colours with. Older games just do not have as advanced lighting system and may look darker even without high-alt clouds\overcast which is wrong.

Personally, if i see, everyday, what some people here claims how Britain, grass on a sunny day etc look like (im pretty sure grass on a sunny day anywhere in the northern hemisphere look pretty much the same) , i would have my eyes checked asp.

The grass for ex, some people say it should look like is more how grass looks after 1 straight month of blistering sun and no rain what so ever.

And no, Britain colours isnt specially in any way what so ever compared to say Sweden.

The colours look darker and more toned down only when there is complete overcast.


The layout is another matter.


Colours in Cod.

Pic. 1 at 06.00
Pic. 2 at 12.00
Pic. 3 at 16.00


Sometime i wonder if people forgotten that CoD have Dynamic Lighting and colours change depending on time of day. But hey, maby we should go back to no Dynamic Lighting so the colours "feel" better.
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Old 07-08-2011, 12:42 PM
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You don't have to be a pilot to now what the ground looks like from inside an aeroplane at any altitude, you just simply have to have flown and looked out the window.

I've seen it, CloD is not close.
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Old 07-08-2011, 12:51 PM
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Personally, if i see, everyday, what some people here claims how Britain, grass on a sunny day etc look like (im pretty sure grass on a sunny day anywhere in the northern hemisphere look pretty much the same) , i would have my eyes checked asp.

The grass for ex, some people say it should look like is more how grass looks after 1 straight month of blistering sun and no rain what so ever.

And no, Britain colours isnt specially in any way what so ever compared to say Sweden.

The colours look darker and more toned down only when there is complete overcast.


The layout is another matter.


Colours in Cod.

Pic. 1 at 06.00
Pic. 2 at 12.00
Pic. 3 at 16.00


Sometime i wonder if people forgotten that CoD have Dynamic Lighting and colours change depending on time of day. But hey, maby we should go back to no Dynamic Lighting so the colours "feel" better.
this is the reason it doesnt look as good in your opinions. For me its exactly the same. the issue is artistry ! and solely artistry. when you have no shaders over your work your work is raw. It looks how you designed it. when you add more and more shaders over the art it distorts the art and the artist can not work in the perfect static enviroment anymore. Its a comprimise in order to incoroporate the fact that your image has to look different at different times of day and enviromental situations.

heres the Fact: 90% of the time of day the colours work as they should they are colours you see out over a landscape through direct and non direct lighting. Most of your opinions are incapable of understanding the ART has to look good over a 24 hours period and be affected by cloud cover and lighting angle. IMHO there is a period of time between 1 to 2 hours that most of you fly at that does appear incredibly wrong. thats about 20% of the day to night schedule and funnily enough the time of day your all flying. Out with those times the scenery is absolutely stunning in its presentation.

The Scenery is not going to get better because its as good as it will get. you guys must fix your conceptualisation on the matter.

If i want to get critical i would be criticising a few factors. the scale of the fields. the lack of a wild urban tile representing wild countryside. the scale of the fields affects the colours believe it or not. more smaller scaled fields with a selection of say 5 colours. when your eye sees this it affects the relationships between the colours. in not so many words its these relationships that bring you to the wrong conclusion that the colours are off. wether you believe what i say or not. it is not the colours that are wrong.

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Old 07-08-2011, 12:39 PM
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Storm of War landscape did look damn good. I've never understood why they did change it with Jurassic.
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