Why the need for German planes?

[Lightsped]

I was hoping to fly for the Germans like I did in the old PC games called "Their Finest Hour", and "Secret Weapons of the Luftwaffe". Its more fun to play as Germans since they did have some really good aircraft towards the end of the war.

If we can play as Germans on COD World at War, Wolfenstien, etc... then I don't see why we shouldn't be able to fly for the Luftwaffe.....

[H Lecter]

Originally Posted by Lightsped

I was hoping to fly for the Germans like I did in the old PC games called "Their Finest Hour", and "Secret Weapons of the Luftwaffe". Its more fun to play as Germans since they did have some really good aircraft towards the end of the war.

If we can play as Germans on COD World at War, Wolfenstien, etc... then I don't see why we shouldn't be able to fly for the Luftwaffe.....

Gaijin will give us many things, but Anton kind of made clear that a German campaign is not one of them. He really became kind of emotional back then and I would not argue about it.

I also had troubles finding multiplayer games, but as more people buy the game (in some countries it has just been released) and finish the SP missions we will see an increasing influx to the MP servers. And there it would be kind of ridiculous seeing RAF and USAF planes battling each other, that's why we got all the nice Luftwaffe toys.

[King Jareth]

Originally Posted by H Lecter

And there it would be kind of ridiculous seeing RAF and USAF planes battling each other, that's why we got all the nice Luftwaffe toys.

I always hoped you'd be able to force one team to take Axis and one team to take allied planes online, its weird in team games trying to confirm who's ahead of you before you fire*.
"anyone in a hurricane mkII?"
"yes
"you got a spitfire behind you?
"no
-start firing-

*I know you have to do some friend or foe recognition but at least real WWII pilots didn't have to worry about what nationality planes their wingmen were flying that day.

[Yossarian]

Originally Posted by King Jareth

I always hoped you'd be able to force one team to take Axis and one team to take allied planes online, its weird in team games trying to confirm who's ahead of you before you fire*.
"anyone in a hurricane mkII?"
"yes
"you got a spitfire behind you?
"no
-start firing-

*I know you have to do some friend or foe recognition but at least real WWII pilots didn't have to worry about what nationality planes their wingmen were flying that day.

I thought even in sim mode you get a coloured box around aircraft when they are close in every mode other than dogfight. You don't get a direction indicator when they are off screen or the distance to then, but enemy planes do have a red box around them when closer than 2km and in view. I could be wrong I've only ever found one sim team battle game since the game came out.

[M3-SRT8]

Sure. But ol' Anton has no problem with anybody flying and fighting for that Communist Utopia, the (former) USSR.

Again, how many people were outright executed, worked, beaten, and starved to death under Stalin? 20 million? 25? More?

...and, Lenin, Khruschchev, Brezhnev, and the rest of the Politburo, how many did they do in? According to Guiness, collectively it's around 66.5 million people.

Just because these people didn't agree to these monsters vision of a "workers paradise."

Go ahead and lock the thread. My point's made.

LJB

[Lightsped]

I still think it would be more fun for everyone if we could fly for the Luftwaffe. This has been done in numerous video games in the past. By flying for the Luftwaffe, it would allow the game to expand alot more by giving players more choices and more experience with the various types of planes.

From a marketing/money standpoint it makes sense. Just look at all of the COD games. And that is just one game title.....

[H Lecter]

Originally Posted by M3-SRT8

Sure. But ol' Anton has no problem with anybody flying and fighting for that Communist Utopia, the (former) USSR.

Doesn't matter. Anton and his brother (?) Kyril are the producers. They make the game the way they believe is 'right' and we as customers can provide feedback and/or decide not to buy it.

Political discussions are more than useless in this forum and will only create hardship among the forum members.

[Anton Yudintsev]

Originally Posted by M3-SRT8

Sure. But ol' Anton has no problem with anybody flying and fighting for that Communist Utopia, the (former) USSR.

Again, how many people were outright executed, worked, beaten, and starved to death under Stalin? 20 million? 25? More?

First of all, I am not against fighting for axis airbattles. I was against them in Birds of Prey. It is our first console flight-sim, and we were going to make it as flawless as possible.
Fighting for Axis, even in game, is not 100% ethical.

Second, please, don't re-type bullshit about USSR. Of course, there were executions, but nothing close to 20 million, even number of all prisoners (with criminals, like thiefs or bandits), not all of them executed, is less than that. Less than 1 million of executions (but close to), is something very huge, but it isn't anyhow close to what Axis did. It's something close to what USA did to thier people during great depression.

Also, the main differences is reasoning. Axis - were executing people because of their _race_. Stalin - was just a dictator, he was trying to keep power (and did it not for his own wealth, but for the country - that's was how he understood 'lesser evil' concept).

Every country has it's black pages. But in Birds of Prey gamers (like real soldiers of world war2) are not fighting for Stalin or against some of his opposers. Those days people were fighting for freedom, for survival - against evil. Not all of Germans were Nazis of course. Not even most of them. But all German soldiers were fighting for Nazi.

It doesn't mean that fighting for Axis airforce in any game is 100% unethical.
But on the other hand, fighting for Allies IS 100% ethical.

[Lightsped]

I am not really interested in the good and the bad things that various countries have done in the past. Save that for the history books.....

I am interested in having a fun flying game with more replayablity and options. This idea is not something new as many game publishers/developers have produced high selling games featuring Allies and the Axis powers of WW2....

Anyone here ever heard of LucasArts "Their Finest Hour" or "Secret Weapons of the Luftwaffe"??? Both of these WW2 flying games were made in the 1990s, and were very successful.... How about Call of Duty? Are those who play as the Germans or Japananese committing unethical acts??

[Shub]

I really appreciate to read Anton's point of view concerning the german's campaign. I have read the full previous thread concerning the same issue and would like to thank him for taking the time to reply to us.

Anton, I assume that people are mainly refering to the starvation in Ukrain when talking of a 20 million death toll for USSR...

Anyway, I respect the devs' decision concerning the german campaign. But, still, I would welcome more german or japanese sp missions.