2014 - il-2 4.09m online - anyone interested ?

[RPS69]

On my experience, FMs after 4.09 condemned some popular planes.

Specially the 190. After 4.09 it is the worst 190 of all versions after forgotten battles.

No rolling fast enough, no acceleration, and both wings falls. Also, recovering it from spin is harder than before.

I just don-t pick it anymore.

[IceFire]

Originally Posted by RPS69

On my experience, FMs after 4.09 condemned some popular planes.

Specially the 190. After 4.09 it is the worst 190 of all versions after forgotten battles.

No rolling fast enough, no acceleration, and both wings falls. Also, recovering it from spin is harder than before.

I just don-t pick it anymore.

Seriously? I didn't expect that.

After the changes to the FW190 I now consider it the best the FW190 has ever been - I honestly legitimately mean that. The turn rate improved, the acceleration increased, top speeds have sometimes been reduced and sometimes been improved and climb rates I think by and large were improved. It's much nicer to handle - the only issue for some that I was aware of was the G loading which does enter more into the equation for a high speed boom and zoom fighter than it does for someone turn fighting at fairly low speeds.

Haven't spun a FW190 in a while. Can't comment on that part. I should try that...

On top of all of the FW190 changes that I was looking for - there's also a couple more options kicking around like the FW190A-4 in two versions which has been a HUGE help for online scenarios and having performance that matches the opposition and year I'm trying to build.

[Treetop64]

Originally Posted by RPS69

On my experience, FMs after 4.09 condemned some popular planes.

Specially the 190. After 4.09 it is the worst 190 of all versions after forgotten battles.

No rolling fast enough, no acceleration, and both wings falls. Also, recovering it from spin is harder than before.

I just don-t pick it anymore.

lolrly? Dude, you seriously don't know what you're missing now. I mean, really.

If anything, the flight modeling of the FW-109s feel as though they lack their drag coefficients. They are ridiculously fast, and they never slow down, even when you drop everything. Yeah, I'm exaggerating a bit, but still, the point. Oh, and they have some of the best ailerons of any aircraft in the game now.

Truly, fly smart, and you're all but invincible in the thing, especially the A4 when it first comes on the scene per theater.

Yeah, we all remember when the FWs were "porked" way back when, but that was a long time ago - years ago, in fact, and things are different now.

[TexasJG]

IL-2 1946 4.12x + HSFX 7.x is just incredible.
try it, just might like it....

[RPS69]

Originally Posted by Treetop64

lolrly? Dude, you seriously don't know what you're missing now. I mean, really.

If anything, the flight modeling of the FW-109s feel as though they lack their drag coefficients. They are ridiculously fast, and they never slow down, even when you drop everything. Yeah, I'm exaggerating a bit, but still, the point. Oh, and they have some of the best ailerons of any aircraft in the game now.

Truly, fly smart, and you're all but invincible in the thing, especially the A4 when it first comes on the scene per theater.

Yeah, we all remember when the FWs were "porked" way back when, but that was a long time ago - years ago, in fact, and things are different now.

It's the plane I flied most from the beginning of the sim.
Now the main maneuver that I mastered on it, that allowed me to vanquish one on one a spit IX or a La-7 at low altitude, is imposible to do it anymore since 4.10. It will allways enter into a spin. On 4.09 it works like a charm.

If by flying smart, you mean flying it as if it was a 109, then it is no more a 190. And I hate flying that way, since it is of no practice use for a JaBo. You have to go low and survive.

[Janosch]

Fw 190 rules! It's pleasant to fly. Lots of people like it, I like it too. My favourite is probably the A5, even though the later variants have better weapons.

[Treetop64]

Originally Posted by RPS69

It's the plane I flied most from the beginning of the sim.
Now the main maneuver that I mastered on it, that allowed me to vanquish one on one a spit IX or a La-7 at low altitude, is imposible to do it anymore since 4.10. It will allways enter into a spin. On 4.09 it works like a charm.

If by flying smart, you mean flying it as if it was a 109, then it is no more a 190. And I hate flying that way, since it is of no practice use for a JaBo. You have to go low and survive.

You've just resoundingly confirmed the point that Jumoschwanz made earlier.

The bolded part is the problem. It's nice that you were able to do that in an earlier version of the game, but that's just not representative of how historical FW performed against such types. In the FW, deliberately engaging in a turn fight against dedicated turn fighters - especially the likes of Spits and late-model Lavochkins - was a death sentence. Trying to keep up with such types in turn fights would invariably see the FW flop over. If you were able to turn with them while in a FW, then either the FW was turning too well, or the others weren't turning well enough. Reducing the FW's sustained turn performance and increasing it's vertical performance was the correct thing for the devs to do.

If you want a turn fighter, then you simply need to fly something else. The 190 can turn-fight in a pinch, but only to a limited degree, and that's not it's strength, anyway. It utterly dominates in vertical fights.

Complaining about the FW because it no longer flies the way you want it to do is like complaining that a top-fuel dragster can't compete in circuit racing with F1 cars.

[RPS69]

Originally Posted by Treetop64

You've just resoundingly confirmed the point that Jumoschwanz made earlier.

The bolded part is the problem. It's nice that you were able to do that in an earlier version of the game, but that's just not representative of how historical FW performed against such types. In the FW, deliberately engaging in a turn fight against dedicated turn fighters - especially the likes of Spits and late-model Lavochkins - was a death sentence. Trying to keep up with such types in turn fights would invariably see the FW flop over. If you were able to turn with them while in a FW, then either the FW was turning too well, or the others weren't turning well enough. Reducing the FW's sustained turn performance and increasing it's vertical performance was the correct thing for the devs to do.

If you want a turn fighter, then you simply need to fly something else. The 190 can turn-fight in a pinch, but only to a limited degree, and that's not it's strength, anyway. It utterly dominates in vertical fights.

Complaining about the FW because it no longer flies the way you want it to do is like complaining that a top-fuel dragster can't compete in circuit racing with F1 cars.

Where did I ever mentioned entering into a turn fight? Hasty conclusions maybe... also... the maneuver is described on many texts as the main strenght of the 190 against the spits. It used to work. Now it doesn´t.
Is a mixture of half barrel rolls and scissors. No sustained turns involved.

[Treetop64]

Scissors would be considered turn fighting.

If you're not BnZ'ing in a FW, you're doing it wrong.

[RPS69]

Originally Posted by Treetop64

Scissors would be considered turn fighting.

If you're not BnZ'ing in a FW, you're doing it wrong.

You can`t even do a mild 45º turn with a 190 without it getting unstable right now. I don't conmsider a 45º turn, a turn fight whatever you may say.

Nevertheles, be happy, your argument is won with great insight.