ROF online shenanigan.

[usagold2004]

I think they have good intentions for going with the online thing and they arent really out to get you. At the end of the day, no one wants their stuff stolen, especially something that took years to make. So i dont fault them for wanting to protect their stuff.

However, I want to play my game when ever I want to. I dont want someone telling me when/where/how i can play it. for me, thats the most important factor in all of this.

steam isnt bad. if youre worried about people spying on your activities through the internet, dont worry, they already do! If you have a cell phone, "they" can triangulate your position to with in 500m or so as long as its on. Your tivo spies on you. every webpage you visit spies on you. (think about your online banking as your service provider routes all of your internet usage) As long as you use "their" products, "they" will spy on you.

i hope i havent made any of you paranoid folks more paranoid than you already are!

[_ITAF_UgoRipley]

Originally Posted by Feuerfalke

...If you don't want STEAM, there's probably no way to even test the game.

I don't know what STEAM is.
Why would one "not want" it ?? Why is it looked at as the pest ? Is it acting as a kind of malware ?

PS: yes, I'm reading their website...

[ZaltysZ]

Required online connection is not problem for me at all. My gaming computer always has it.

I play using HOTAS and pedals, so I don't imagine myself taking all that stuff together with my laptop on any trip. I can fly without HOTAS, but not without pedals. I leave simulators for my stationary computer and play chess, checkers, go, solitaire and alike on my laptop.

Also, multiplayer mode is essential for me as I don't fly offline. It is boring for me to fight AI and I always find novice human pilot to be more interesting than high level bot. In fact I won't not buy any combat flight sim, which has no multiplayer mode.

I think it is obvious, for what I have voted.

[virre89]

First of all,

This has nothing to do with the game itself, if your a fan and love sims and was thinking of buying it, you're rather stuiped if something like a protection feature makes you boycott it. There is really only one logical excuse for being against this and that is the people whom for any reason can't/don't have a broad band connection, i total understand your frustration.

As for people that have a broad band connection , what are you whining about?
The simulation market is thin enough, if you love sims and the theaters like this then support them and buy their games.

Todays evolution of the Internet is no secret, the majority has broadband even if many don't play games online or even go online in their games it's fair enough to say a lot of people have the ability to. As we all know the Internet can be used for plenty more than gaming....

By saying this will affect sales on a 50-70% scale i'd say you're way off your head, this online community that hangs on sites like this is just a small amount of the fans that actually buys it, the majority as with most games comes with the buyers that you never see online.

So why doesn't the majority play online/go online?... well most certainly the main reason ain't that they don't have a connection, they might just not be interested in playing online or lack common sense on how to do it or just not being hardcore gamers etc etc many reasons..

As an simple example:
I Know a lot of friends that only use Internet for surfing etc etc, even tho they own broad band , and yes the play games a lot but not in clans and they don't hang with the online communities, in other words a typical average customer/gamer.

I am rather sure this won't effect the sales at all especially not in stores, it's still no secret that a lot of games today require an online stream from the master servers to even work. Anyway everyone has all right in the world to make up their own decision im not claiming otherwise , but if you decide not to buy it, then stand by your choice and for god sake do not download it illegally.. that will only destroy the industry even more.

[Igo kyu]

Originally Posted by virre89

First of all,

This has nothing to do with the game itself, if your a fan and love sims and was thinking of buying it, you're rather stuiped if something like a protection feature makes you boycott it.

Nothing to do with the game itself, what on Earth do you mean? of course it's about the availability of the game.

I'm not boycotting it, I'm just not buying it. I like sims, but I hope I am not a fanatic (which is what "fan" means).

There is really only one logical excuse for being against this and that is the people whom for any reason can't/don't have a broad band connection, i total understand your frustration.

You are wrong about that, first off, if it's logical, it's a reason not an excuse.

As for people that have a broad band connection , what are you whining about?

I'm not whining, I'll leave that to you.

I'm not buying it because I don't want my card details spread around the web, to be abused by phishers.

The simulation market is thin enough, if you love sims and the theaters like this then support them and buy their games.

Theaters? what has this got to do with acting in plays?

I like good games, but I wouldn't say I love them, I certainly do not intend to deliberately buy bad games just to help support some mythical industry.

By saying this will affect sales on a 50-70% scale i'd say you're way off your head, this online community that hangs on sites like this is just a small amount of the fans that actually buys it, the majority as with most games comes with the buyers that you never see online.

If, as it seems will be the case initially, the only place it can be bought is online, then the online community is they only one that matters (until, later, it makes it to the shops if it sells well enough online). The poll at the top of this page is making 50%-70% look like a very good guess.

I am rather sure this won't effect the sales at all especially not in stores, it's still no secret that a lot of games today require an online stream from the master servers to even work.

I have yet to knowingly buy one of those games, I often look and put them back on the shelf when I spot that requirement.

Anyway everyone has all right in the world to make up their own decision im not claiming otherwise

How generous.

if you decide not to buy it, then stand by your choice and for god sake do not download it illegally.. that will only destroy the industry even more.

The owners won't give a hoot about that, they only care whether you pay them or not. I won't pirate it, but I won't buy it either.

[virre89]

Nothing to do with the game itself, what on Earth do you mean? of course it's about the availability of the game.

I'm not boycotting it, I'm just not buying it. I like sims, but I hope I am not a fanatic (which is what "fan" means).

Well obviously i meant the gameplay/engine etc, it's not a bad game because their choice of protection. I thought it was obvious enough but apparently not..

You are wrong about that, first off, if it's logical, it's a reason not an excuse.

No its logical, and how am i wrong about it ? Please explain.
To me its rather clear that you'll be upset if you don't have a broadband connection. And of course i personally feel sorry for the people that can't play the game, but speaking for myself i'd never go as far as don't play the game just to help others state the fact that they didn't like the copy protection choice. (I still want the game even if it has starforce i don't care.. never bothered me)

I'm not whining, I'll leave that to you.

I'm not buying it because I don't want my card details spread around the web, to be abused by phishers.

Whining? o_O
Totally understandable that some people don't like to pay online. But i suppose the risk of getting ripped on money is just as rare as with putting your card into the cash dispenser these days with all the technical equipment. As long as you pay to companies like valve/steam you're totally on the safe side, it's all about common sense.

Theaters? what has this got to do with acting in plays?

I like good games, but I wouldn't say I love them, I certainly do not intend to deliberately buy bad games just to help support some mythical industry.

I meant Theatre such as ww1, my bad.
If you think Rise of Flight is a bad game because of it's copy protection I've nothing more to apply... seriously it's like saying the Car drives and feels bad just because the door lock isn't automatic and i won't buy it therefor.

If, as it seems will be the case initially, the only place it can be bought is online, then the online community is they only one that matters (until, later, it makes it to the shops if it sells well enough online). The poll at the top of this page is making 50%-70% look like a very good guess.

Ye but i was talking about the boxed version which will be available in numerous countries , didn't you read the recent interview... It will be available in both digital and hard copy form.

"2. Other than a downloadable version of the game, will non-Russians be able to buy a boxed version of the game? Any chance at a "collector's edition" of the game?

Our main target is to reach every interested user and to make «Rise of Flight» available for everyone. That's why we are taking every possible option (Russian and foreign publishers) in order to deliver our product to our customers in a hard and digital copy. Collector's edition will not be available outside Russian market. After master-disk release we will publish on our blog the list of counties where the game in a box set will be available."

I have yet to knowingly buy one of those games, I often look and put them back on the shelf when I spot that requirement.

Good for you, i wouldn't miss out on such a great gaming experience just because of something like that which has nothing to do with how the game plays.

You're loss mate.

The owners won't give a hoot about that, they only care whether you pay them or not. I won't pirate it, but I won't buy it either.

Developers care more than ever about copy protection and piracy these days. It's evolved beyond control and they've every right to protect their product by any means they feel is necessary.

[zapatista]

Originally Posted by virre89

First of all,

This has nothing to do with the game itself, if your a fan and love sims and was thinking of buying it, you're rather stuiped if something like a protection feature makes you boycott it.

so to use your logic, when you want to buy an apple for lunch, and at the store they hand you an apple that is covered in poop, you'd still eat it "just because you are an apple fan and planed to eat one for lunch that day" ?

its an idiotic scheme, thought up by some greasy haired pimple faced sales drone who doesnt know anything about marketing in the pc gaming world

the other issue is, will they even have a clear warning label on the game box to inform potential buyers, stating for ex "warning: this game can ONLY be played while your pc is connected online to our private server, a permanently active internet connection is needed for it to work at all times !", or is that going to be a hidden "feature" and they plan on conning people with misleading advertising ? and can people get their money back once they realize the old bait and switch has been used ? we all know the answer to that one eh

[tagTaken2]

Good analogy.

[Skoshi Tiger]

Originally Posted by zapatista

so to use your logic, when you want to buy an apple for lunch, and at the store they hand you an apple that is covered in poop, you'd still eat it "just because you are an apple fan and planed to eat one for lunch that day" ?

its an idiotic scheme, thought up by some greasy haired pimple faced sales drone who doesnt know anything about marketing in the pc gaming world

the other issue is, will they even have a clear warning label on the game box to inform potential buyers, stating for ex "warning: this game can ONLY be played while your pc is connected online to our private server, a permanently active internet connection is needed for it to work at all times !", or is that going to be a hidden "feature" and they plan on conning people with misleading advertising ? and can people get their money back once they realize the old bait and switch has been used ? we all know the answer to that one eh

Lucky I ate my apple BEFORE reading your analogy But then again it was home grown and my wifes into permaculture so like as not it was!!!!!!

<I think, Call of Duty World at War uses this sort of protection on it's game. Once you start the game it logs you on to the server and then you choose solo play (I have never played online with this game). Might have to go home tonight, pull out my internet, start up the game and see if I can still play? >

[No I was wrong, CoD lets you play without an Internet Connection!]

Cheers!

[virre89]

Originally Posted by zapatista

so to use your logic, when you want to buy an apple for lunch, and at the store they hand you an apple that is covered in poop, you'd still eat it "just because you are an apple fan and planed to eat one for lunch that day" ?

its an idiotic scheme, thought up by some greasy haired pimple faced sales drone who doesnt know anything about marketing in the pc gaming world

the other issue is, will they even have a clear warning label on the game box to inform potential buyers, stating for ex "warning: this game can ONLY be played while your pc is connected online to our private server, a permanently active internet connection is needed for it to work at all times !", or is that going to be a hidden "feature" and they plan on conning people with misleading advertising ? and can people get their money back once they realize the old bait and switch has been used ? we all know the answer to that one eh

.... I'd say my example with the car is a little bit more mature.
As for the box warning , yes their required to say that the game requires an online connection, however not that you'll need it for the Single Player aspect of the game as well.

But then again, in todays society broadband is almost as common as having a TV so seriously i doubt it's gonna effect store sales at all, it's another thing with digital distribution thou. It really isn't surprising that they take this approach and i welcome it, helps getting less piracy at release.

GTA 4(PC) got to love those developers including anti crack coding making cars drive etc if you had a cracked version.. took about two weeks until the game was cracked 100% and many potential pirates bought the game instead. Thats how pirates should be threated , it was rather fun hearing about all frustration from the illegal people.

Get you're money back? It's what 40-50$ maximum come on, as soon as you buy an game you agree with their license agreement and everything which is included in the product. I'd prefer if Battle of Britain had something like this as well, but of course i still want people that don't have the ability to have a BB connection to be able to play the game obviously.. but if developers think this is the new approach then its just to adapt.

People make it sound a little too serious, almost like the world is becoming a minority report(the movie were the government controls everything).