Il-2 MODs

[JG27CaptStubing]

Actually I challenge anyone to go to their site and show me a single mod that is considred a cheat or an FM change for that matter.

Copperhead is talking pure nonsense and clearly demonstrates he knows very little about the mod groups.

[311thCopperhead]

Originally Posted by JG27CaptStubing

Actually I challenge anyone to go to their site and show me a single mod that is considred a cheat or an FM change for that matter.

Copperhead is talking pure nonsense and clearly demonstrates he knows very little about the mod groups.

No....i've been over there and i've seen what is going on. on the surface.
and to be honest there's things being done that arent 1/2 bad. Like the expanded QMB. I could even possibly get the sims regimentals fixed. IF i were to get behimd it. That will never happen though unless the sim is opend by Oleg.
But in the end...no matter what they do over there, good or bad, right or wrong.....at the end of the day it's still illeagal, it's still stabbing Oleg in the back, and it's still, no matter how hard they claim that they try, allowing the code to be accessed by those who would manipulate it for thier own petty reasons. And they are not the gaurd dogs of the sims code. AAA is not the only place that has it...or is useing it. So this fantasy that Jolly, FlyZo, Worf...and the others there have that they can some how keep the sims integrety secure and mod it at the same time is simply a figment of their own deluded imaginations. and that's just how it is.
but....it's starting to set in that the cats out of the bag, as Bearcat says. Once Pandora's box has been opened....it's not gonna get closed. far too mnay mod junkies roaming the streets now to lock em all up. Now that does not mean i'm gonna be caught with a glass mod pipe in my pocket going "hey maaaan please let me just get one hit."

but i am starting to see that the argument is becomming moot. and i'm growing tired of it.
and of THOSE f-ing ppl. so. i think i'm done with it.

[fly_zo]

Originally Posted by 311thCopperhead

but i am starting to see that the argument is becomming moot. and i'm growing tired of it.
and of THOSE f-ing ppl. so. i think i'm done with it.

thank you Sir .... please leave and never come back

you had your 15 min. of glory

Z

[311thCopperhead]

Originally Posted by fly_zo

thank you Sir .... please leave and never come back

you had your 15 min. of glory

Z

kiss my ass. i'm not going any where bub so get used to it.

[proton45]

wo...this old bird is still gett'in tossed around. The issue is pretty dead. You got three choices here, 1)play with your friends, 2)shut-up and take your chances on-line, or 3) go offline.

[Wolf_Rider]

Lexx::

Quote...

"Exactly what I'm talking about -- "online" issues. You are considering "online" only. Online is irrelevant unless a sim is Pay-To-Play. Mods can't kill a primarily Offline game. Mediocraty and abandonment can kill an Offline game, which Microsoft CFS primarily was."

So ya test ya skills online and keep the fun going. Lexx, online pay to pay or online Hyperlobby, etc... is still online. (Nice diversion attempt though )

"Even more interesting: Remember TAGERT at ubi.com. He told us that mods didn't kill CFS3, but accusations of cheating with mods DID kill it. I had to remind him that it may have killed "online" only, but not offline -- Microsoft killed offline play in that game. TAGERT even told us that he never saw a mod cheat incident, he was told about it by others he trusted, so he was still anti-mod in this sim because he was concerned over the potential for accusations of cheating killing a ONLINE sim. ie...lack of community. I agree with your (Bear's) view on the requirement for a bullish community, while a bearish community can kill an online sim."

CFS3 was an extremely problemated POS, which was poorly produced and writen... it had so many bugs in it, cockroaches were embarrassed.

Mods - offline or online is supporting the hacking of the sim and there is no two ways about.

[Bearcat]

Originally Posted by Wolf_Rider

Lexx::

Quote...

"Exactly what I'm talking about -- "online" issues. You are considering "online" only. Online is irrelevant unless a sim is Pay-To-Play. Mods can't kill a primarily Offline game. Mediocraty and abandonment can kill an Offline game, which Microsoft CFS primarily was."

So ya test ya skills online and keep the fun going. Lexx, online pay to pay or online Hyperlobby, etc... is still online. (Nice diversion attempt though )

"Even more interesting: Remember TAGERT at ubi.com. He told us that mods didn't kill CFS3, but accusations of cheating with mods DID kill it. I had to remind him that it may have killed "online" only, but not offline -- Microsoft killed offline play in that game. TAGERT even told us that he never saw a mod cheat incident, he was told about it by others he trusted, so he was still anti-mod in this sim because he was concerned over the potential for accusations of cheating killing a ONLINE sim. ie...lack of community. I agree with your (Bear's) view on the requirement for a bullish community, while a bearish community can kill an online sim."

CFS3 was an extremely problemated POS, which was poorly produced and writen... it had so many bugs in it, cockroaches were embarrassed.

Mods - offline or online is supporting the hacking of the sim and there is no two ways about.

Tagert was wrong... I saw enough mods in CFS to make it not worth my while. One incident I remeber in particular was by someone named "movegetouttheway" .. this guy was all over the place taking out everyone in the room.. regardless to side. There were othrs.. There were real cheats and cheaters were all over the place in CFS... Thats why so many left CFS to come here.

[fly_zo]

Originally Posted by 311thCopperhead

kiss my ass. i'm not going any where bub so get used to it.

so that was just another BS from you ..... good thing is that one can get used to any stench if present long enough so i'll live just fine with you around .

not holding to your own words = spineless
posting FM of stock plane publicly = shameful
trying to dig your way out of it = idiotic ... ups, sorry i meant :pathetic

Z

[GAE_Charrua]

Originally Posted by fly_zo

thank you Sir .... please leave and never come back

you had your 15 min. of glory

Z

[JG27CaptStubing]

Originally Posted by 311thCopperhead

No....i've been over there and i've seen what is going on. on the surface.
and to be honest there's things being done that arent 1/2 bad. Like the expanded QMB. I could even possibly get the sims regimentals fixed. IF i were to get behimd it. That will never happen though unless the sim is opend by Oleg.
But in the end...no matter what they do over there, good or bad, right or wrong.....at the end of the day it's still illeagal, it's still stabbing Oleg in the back, and it's still, no matter how hard they claim that they try, allowing the code to be accessed by those who would manipulate it for thier own petty reasons. And they are not the gaurd dogs of the sims code. AAA is not the only place that has it...or is useing it. So this fantasy that Jolly, FlyZo, Worf...and the others there have that they can some how keep the sims integrety secure and mod it at the same time is simply a figment of their own deluded imaginations. and that's just how it is.
but....it's starting to set in that the cats out of the bag, as Bearcat says. Once Pandora's box has been opened....it's not gonna get closed. far too mnay mod junkies roaming the streets now to lock em all up. Now that does not mean i'm gonna be caught with a glass mod pipe in my pocket going "hey maaaan please let me just get one hit."

but i am starting to see that the argument is becomming moot. and i'm growing tired of it.
and of THOSE f-ing ppl. so. i think i'm done with it.

I'm not going to debate you on what is right at wrong here but I will debate you until the cows come home on several of the inaccuracies you've been posting. Things like the AAA mods allow people to play the game without actually purchasing the game. Utter nonsense and you know it.

Regardless if you think it's right or wrong the fact is there is a movement to continue to enhance the game. So far from what I've some very responsible and very good stuff being done by some of these guys. New Channel Maps Slot maps some new planes etc are proving to be great additions to the game.

I will let the corporate types figure out if it's right or wrong.

Meanwhile I suggest you look into some things and be less closed minded because there is some good stuff helping this dying genre.

Oh and before you lump me in with the bad guys not paying for my copies of the games I can assure you I've purchased IL2 and all the addons over 8 times. Oleg and crew have made some money off of me not to mention I promote it to anyone that is vaguely interested.