New Graphics Card - GTX 660 non Ti or 7850/7870

[Stublerone]

But the oc versions of the 7950 are currently just underperforming. Set the same clocks on the 7950 and you can add another 20-30% on both ends and it destroys the 660, 660ti and the 670 and equals nearly a stock 7970 or a 680.

You do not see the obvious. Nvidia is currently fighting with its higher clocks. And if you push the ati to the limits as nvidia does it with their card, you cab see, that the whole 79xx series beats their nvidia counterparts. And that not only with a slightly difference, but with ahuge difference.

And as the materials of ati cards are currently higher standard and as the card begins very early before frying it to produce glitches as warning. You can directly push it to 1000mhz with sufficient cooling, even with air cooling. If the materials would allow to run on higher temperatures with no look on lifetime, the gap with standard oc possibilities will be even bigger for ati cards.

[Stoli151]

Originally Posted by Stublerone

But the oc versions of the 7950 are currently just underperforming. Set the same clocks on the 7950 and you can add another 20-30% on both ends and it destroys the 660, 660ti and the 670 and equals nearly a stock 7970 or a 680.

You do not see the obvious. Nvidia is currently fighting with its higher clocks. And if you push the ati to the limits as nvidia does it with their card, you cab see, that the whole 79xx series beats their nvidia counterparts. And that not only with a slightly difference, but with ahuge difference.

And as the materials of ati cards are currently higher standard and as the card begins very early before frying it to produce glitches as warning. You can directly push it to 1000mhz with sufficient cooling, even with air cooling. If the materials would allow to run on higher temperatures with no look on lifetime, the gap with standard oc possibilities will be even bigger for ati cards.

I don't care whether my card is made of tinfoil and swiss cheese as long as it performs when I put it in my rig. All I know is my 660ti performs and performs fluidly. Even when frames drop, the motion I see is still smooth. In other words, the only way I know frame rates drop is if I have the fps counter going. Otherwise, I couldn't even tell while playing. I have seen in most reviews that the ati cards fluctuate, as vranac has pointed out in his post. While I agree that ati cards should be better if you just looked at their physical specs. That fact remains that they get spikey performance. Or if you like conspiracy theories you could assume that nvidia has paid off all the reviewers. However I am not a believer in a theory where ati could easily do the same. Quite possibly in the near future ati will get the issue resolved. At that point, I may quite possibly own a ati because I hold no allegiance to nvidia. For right now however, I love my 660ti which performs on this game the way I like.

[Stublerone]

So, when u do not care to buy something sufficiently and u do not care about all, why do you recommend your card to others? You shouldn't care to post here, too, because you do not seem to ....care... And u do not seem to know facts. Somebody is asking you what to buy, then it is redundant what you bought. It should be someone knowing something. Sure we can argue on real life purposes and senses of one ir the other card, but u just type in, tjat your card is good and mention a weird test with unfair conditions. And with that you start recommending a 660 ti, which is not worth the money and performance sucks in comparison to the other card. I mean: We are comparing a low end ti card vs the second best card of ati, which costs the same. It is like comparing a nvidia gtx version vs ti. It makes no sense and the winner is clear, although you find other wrong reviews.

This simply makes somebody angry to hear that all the time. I call these posters facebook and youtube fagots posting their life and their bad knowledge into the world. Kids with no senses for realism and sufficient interaction skills. Just weird to see that in a sim forum with mainly a bit skilled people. I think, time is changeing and more and more guys came here to leave their nvidia post. And although I am a fan of nvidia, I cannot see that lack of knowledge, especially for this gfx card generation, any more.

I am not the ultimate gfx card expert, but I know, when to claim sth wrong. I do not want to bash, but in the gaming coms I interact, I only hear unsatisfied nvidia users and already have positive feedback from guys switching to the ati. Especially the 680 was sold by many of these gamers and they are now more happy with the ati, what the first couldn't believe. But they are mostly non casual gamer and spend some time in gaming.

Now I lost my track!..... Hm, I don't care. Have fun reading this weird post.

[Stoli151]

Originally Posted by Stublerone

So, when u do not care to buy something sufficiently and u do not care about all, why do you recommend your card to others? You shouldn't care to post here, too, because you do not seem to ....care... And u do not seem to know facts. Somebody is asking you what to buy, then it is redundant what you bought. It should be someone knowing something. Sure we can argue on real life purposes and senses of one ir the other card, but u just type in, tjat your card is good and mention a weird test with unfair conditions. And with that you start recommending a 660 ti, which is not worth the money and performance sucks in comparison to the other card. I mean: We are comparing a low end ti card vs the second best card of ati, which costs the same. It is like comparing a nvidia gtx version vs ti. It makes no sense and the winner is clear, although you find other wrong reviews.

This simply makes somebody angry to hear that all the time. I call these posters facebook and youtube fagots posting their life and their bad knowledge into the world. Kids with no senses for realism and sufficient interaction skills. Just weird to see that in a sim forum with mainly a bit skilled people. I think, time is changeing and more and more guys came here to leave their nvidia post. And although I am a fan of nvidia, I cannot see that lack of knowledge, especially for this gfx card generation, any more.

I am not the ultimate gfx card expert, but I know, when to claim sth wrong. I do not want to bash, but in the gaming coms I interact, I only hear unsatisfied nvidia users and already have positive feedback from guys switching to the ati. Especially the 680 was sold by many of these gamers and they are now more happy with the ati, what the first couldn't believe. But they are mostly non casual gamer and spend some time in gaming.

Now I lost my track!..... Hm, I don't care. Have fun reading this weird post.

That's right I don't care what he buys. In my first post in this thread all I did was reference the performance of my card in this game which I thought may be of value to the OP. I also recalling I had nothing bad to say about ati. I did however reference a review that seemed to me as if nvidia performed better in some games and ati in others but in the end said the 660ti had slight edge because of ati fluctuations. You were the one that went in attack mode as if you have some personal vendetta against nvidia owners. You keep mentioning these unsatisfied nvidia users and all their posts but you seem to be the only one posting that is unsatisfied even though you do not seem to own one. You keep mentioning all these unfair reviews but you fail to provide links to anything that refutes the reviews, except referencing trolls and fanboys in the comments section. You pounce on everyone that posts anything in these forums that seems to be in favor of nvidia, yet claim that they are the ones being childish. Like I said if you just look at the specs of the ati cards I agree they should blow away an nvidia the reality however is they do not. This is why the reviewers are often surprised by their own results. That leaves us with what must be superior nvidia drivers or inferior ati drivers as the cause. It seems that you are the one lacking knowledge that drivers can make all the difference, and apparently so in this case.

[Igo kyu]

Originally Posted by Stoli151

That leaves us with what must be ... inferior ati drivers as the cause.

Yeah, and seemingly AMD are working on it.

http://hardware.slashdot.org/story/1...latency-issues

I hope that's going to make a significant improvement.

[Stoli151]

Originally Posted by Igo kyu

Yeah, and seemingly AMD are working on it.

http://hardware.slashdot.org/story/1...latency-issues

I hope that's going to make a significant improvement.

I hope so as well. I have a feeling if they do and unless nvidia beefs up their cards, my next card may be an AMD.