4.12 development update discussion and feedback

[Pershing]

Originally Posted by 1984

А весной сорок третьего года немцы вели интенсивную авиаразведку нашего переднего края, глубоких тылов.

...беспрерывно висели над передним краем "фокке-вульфы". За двойной фюзеляж наши бойцы ФВ-189 прозвали "рамой".

Ненавидели "раму" люто — больше, чем любой другой немецкий самолет. Когда она висела над траншеями, некуда было деваться от точного артиллерийского огня. И просьбы командиров сухопутных частей в это время сводились чаще всего к одной: "Сбейте "раму"!.."

Между тем сбить "раму" было не очень просто (here skip interesting details)...

В общем, мы немало поломали голову, вырабатывая методы борьбы с "рамой".

Let me try to translate to English:

"In spring of 1943 the germans do intensieve aerial reconnaissance of our positions and heartlands
...fokke-wulfs hung over our position constantly. Because of double fuzelage our soldiers calls them "frame" ("rama").
They hate "frame" fiercely - more then any other german plane. There was no place to hide from artillery fire when it was over trenches. So all ground's commanders requests were - "Shoot down the frame!"
By the way, shooting down a "frame" was a difficult task...
So we thought very hard to make "anti-frame" technique.. "

By the way, I've noticed that shooting down FW-189 in the game is very simple..

[SPAD-1949]

Originally Posted by Lagarto

All the more because, contrary to popular belief, there was quite a lot of "shooting back" in the air over Poland in September 1939. The Luftwaffe lost some 250 aircraft by the month's end, including some 170 shot down by Polish fighters.
However, it would take more than a map to reenact this. More aircraft like PZL.23 Karas and PZL.37 Los. On the other hand, the two would come in handy for Bessarabian scenarios since they were later flown by Romanians against the Soviet Union.
Also, it would take some more German types, which have been banned so far, like Do-17 and early Bf 109E variants. Hs 126 would be great, too.

But now, that ClOD prooved an economical dead birth, I personally dont see any more reason for the ban.
Id clearly like to see the flying pencil.

[1984]

hmm, i think now not so simple down fw-189, but i have not so much practice, against peoples especially, and of course, in this old game modelled not all what can be modelled, and something just can't be modelled...

Originally Posted by 302_Corsair

Did you use Makarov or ppsh?

oh, what interesting here, i heard what some gunners in all countrys had tompson/ppsh-41 how "last chance"...

and read many times what some gunners of il-2 took additional machine gun (maybe, something like DP-27), and for attack ground targets too, as well as signal flares for scaring away...

mainly this is байки/tales or not, don't tell, but i think we really need these signal flares for pilots/gunners, it's be more realistic signalisation than navigation lights or headlights, which now used in online, especially because headlights had mainly night/PVO fighters...

[Pershing]

Originally Posted by 1984

hmm, i think now not so simple down fw-189, but i have not so much practice, against peoples especially, and of course, in this old game modelled not all what can be modelled, and something just can't be modelled...

Fw-189 is not flyable in stock game (in UP3 and HSFX - yes).
I just noticed that 2-3 20-mm ShVAK's rounds enough to set FW-189 on fire, shoot off a wing or make an "bloody mess" inside of its cockpit.

[Malkav]

What about the current state of development? When?

[1984]

Originally Posted by Pershing

Fw-189 is not flyable in stock game (in UP3 and HSFX - yes).
I just noticed that 2-3 20-mm ShVAK's rounds enough to set FW-189 on fire, shoot off a wing or make an "bloody mess" inside of its cockpit.

fw-189 flyable on some servers with realistic mods, and this is not packs like UP3 or HSFX, well, and i had only one fight against 189, but when i fired all ammo in rama from lagg-3 8 or 11 serie, 2 other pilots trying this too, and fw still alive...

but i think, mainly, it's was settings of connection (DM work better with old settings, my opinion, ie when internet was not so fast), on servers where you can fly with very good parameters, planes not so strong...

plus if hits like in attach and are spread throughout the aircraft, plane can fly and in game and in RL, why not...

in total, rama metal, very thin, but not small, plus in game modelled not all things of FM, so..., but and 2-3 20 mm shells in cabine, fuel tanks etc it's not strange...